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Just like the potential Sterling has hey...That's a real joke, No commitment, No talent, No end product, Nothing, Just a bit of pace but cant even get past 2 men without losing the ball! i think people are going off track here. Comolli's point is that after 3yrs the signings they made will come good and all will be well. the mid term report doesn't suggest that that is going to happen. Only Suarez has really shone, Enrique an Coates look decent enough. people have mixed view on Henderson but fair to say he has not hit anywhere near his fee 18mths in. Carroll, Adam and Downing have been overall woeful. numbers are 23.5mil amazing 15mil pretty good 16mil not there yet(possibly unlikely) 62mil disaster. so far 116.5mil spent with 53% totally wasted, 13.7% unlikely. 13% decent return 20% success. pretty poor show Mr Comolli The only problem with your analysis is that it doesn't take into account the money that we can get in return when we sell these players... I am sure Suarez won't go for less than 40million, Hendo won't go for less than 10,I think Enriques price has gone up, we will make a loss on Downing and Carroll, I think Coates could regain us roughly what we spent... So lets have another look: Suarez 40 mil - profit 16,5 mil Adam 4 mil - loss 3 mil Downing 8 mil- loss 12 mil Enrique 10-12 mil - profit 4-5 mil Coates 10 mil - profit 3 mil Henderson 11 mil (although the fee will probably be higher)- loss 5 mil Carroll - 17 mil (potential with west ham contract) - loss 18 mil This brings us to the conclusion that overall we could make 23,5 mil profit and suffer a 33,5 mil loss...when you add thos up it works out to approximately an overall loss of 10 million... However if you take into account that Suarez could go for a lot more than 40 you can see that our losses are not actually as great as people seem to think. I am not a fan of some of these players, and would have preffered others, but the club took a gamble and didn't really lose all that much...
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Bit of a distorted way of looking at things
Reminds me of when people say we got Carroll for +15M with the sale of Torres.
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Bit of a distorted way of looking at things That's an even way of looking at it fairly, Any other opinion which is just looking at one side of the story is distorted and shortsighted.
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Fair point but I was looking at the value to the team and not from a P+L perspective. you would like to think that all players brought to the club would add something more than their predecessers.
the feeling is that the squad after 116mil is no better off than before. taking into account a net spend of 30mil. the team is still not better off. For Comolli to be right, we need Coates to be a Hyppia(possible), Henderson to be a Lucas(seems unlikely). Downing to be barnes(mmmmm) Carroll to be Torres(double mmmmmm) Adam gone and very average
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According to Tony Barrett's piece in tomorrow's Times, Comolli says that He and Kenny were "judged too quickly on transfers", and that he feels "frustrated and annoyed" that his tenure came to such a quick end.
Was he pushed too early? Few would agree so, I reckon. Many of the transfers speak for themselves 18 months to two years later. well if thats what he thinks FSG were totally correct to get rid of him and dalglish .
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Just like the potential Sterling has hey...That's a real joke, No commitment, No talent, No end product, Nothing, Just a bit of pace but cant even get past 2 men without losing the ball! u are comparing sterling to henderson?????????
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Just like the potential Sterling has hey...That's a real joke, No commitment, No talent, No end product, Nothing, Just a bit of pace but cant even get past 2 men without losing the ball! i think people are going off track here. Comolli's point is that after 3yrs the signings they made will come good and all will be well. the mid term report doesn't suggest that that is going to happen. Only Suarez has really shone, Enrique an Coates look decent enough. people have mixed view on Henderson but fair to say he has not hit anywhere near his fee 18mths in. Carroll, Adam and Downing have been overall woeful. numbers are 23.5mil amazing 15mil pretty good 16mil not there yet(possibly unlikely) 62mil disaster. so far 116.5mil spent with 53% totally wasted, 13.7% unlikely. 13% decent return 20% success. pretty poor show Mr Comolli The only problem with your analysis is that it doesn't take into account the money that we can get in return when we sell these players... I am sure Suarez won't go for less than 40million, Hendo won't go for less than 10,I think Enriques price has gone up, we will make a loss on Downing and Carroll, I think Coates could regain us roughly what we spent... So lets have another look: Suarez 40 mil - profit 16,5 mil Adam 4 mil - loss 3 mil Downing 8 mil- loss 12 mil Enrique 10-12 mil - profit 4-5 mil Coates 10 mil - profit 3 mil Henderson 11 mil (although the fee will probably be higher)- loss 5 mil Carroll - 17 mil (potential with west ham contract) - loss 18 mil This brings us to the conclusion that overall we could make 23,5 mil profit and suffer a 33,5 mil loss...when you add thos up it works out to approximately an overall loss of 10 million... However if you take into account that Suarez could go for a lot more than 40 you can see that our losses are not actually as great as people seem to think. I am not a fan of some of these players, and would have preffered others, but the club took a gamble and didn't really lose all that much... I think your valuations are quite a way off. We may well 'want' in excess of £40m for Suarez but I doubt we'd get more than £30m Enrique we might get a bit mroe than what we paid but not £12m. If his form the for the last 3 weeks was typical of the last 2 years then you might have a point. Coates - £3m profit - are you sure??? Based on what? The only way we would get double figures for henderson would be if man city appointed dalglish & commoli. No one in their right mind would pay more than £3-£4m for him. Carroll - £18m? no chance. Again, we'll be lucky to get double figures.
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He and Daglish fvcked us more than we'll ever know. That may of been our only real chance to get back up there and I'm glad they were dismissed. very harsh comments. Alot was acheived under Dalglish and Comoli's comments can only be verified in 18mths time. I think Henderson, Coates and Enrique will be good players and probably justify their fees long term, although Hendo will only ever even at his peak(3+YRS) be a 16mil player. the problem was and is that huge sums were paid for average/good players. We seemed to sell well then blow it on Carroll, Adam and Downing which when sold could equate to a 30+mil loss. For A club which is not flush that is scandalous. Every club makes mistakes but at the moment Comoli is looking at best a 50% success rate in the transfer market. not great from a so called expert. No. It isn't harsh at all. That was the best chance we ever had to close the gap quickly, over 100 million spent, a large portion of that investment or from selling a 15 million pound player for 50 million. They WASTED our best opportunity to rebuild quickly. To bring in top players. If you think henderson coming good in 3 years time means they weren't an absolute joke that destroyed our club further then you need to buy a ticket for your head, one way, straight out of ur a!se
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Just like the potential Sterling has hey...That's a real joke, No commitment, No talent, No end product, Nothing, Just a bit of pace but cant even get past 2 men without losing the ball! i think people are going off track here. Comolli's point is that after 3yrs the signings they made will come good and all will be well. the mid term report doesn't suggest that that is going to happen. Only Suarez has really shone, Enrique an Coates look decent enough. people have mixed view on Henderson but fair to say he has not hit anywhere near his fee 18mths in. Carroll, Adam and Downing have been overall woeful. numbers are 23.5mil amazing 15mil pretty good 16mil not there yet(possibly unlikely) 62mil disaster. so far 116.5mil spent with 53% totally wasted, 13.7% unlikely. 13% decent return 20% success. pretty poor show Mr Comolli Wasnt Super Sterling a Comolli signing? £7 million or so wasn't he? Your joking right? His been at the club for over three years where did you get 7 mill from?
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