|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,163
1st Team Squad
|
|
1st Team Squad
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 8,163 |
I am not saying it is ok, far from it, i even state in the original post that it is no excuse for such behaviour. However you cannot dispute the fact that there would be fewer incidents if players stopped inciting fans... There would indeed be fewer incidents - but the answer is to get rid of these trouble making pr!cks. We shouldn't be telling players where and how they can celebrate.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 8,791
1st Team Squad
|
|
1st Team Squad
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 8,791 |
I heard some goon on the radio saying that players should only celebrate in front of their own fans!!
Any fan that thinks it is acceptable to go berserk if an opposition player celebrates in front of you has serious mental health issues. there is a difference in some celebrations in that some are meant to genuinely rile up the fans. Take Adebayor for example who sprinted the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans. That was hardly a good idea and there will always be a minority of fans who will react to such provocation and there is always the danger of trouble in those cases where it is needless or Suarez delibrately diving in front of David Moyes... David Moyes isn't exactly your regular spectatir and he did have an intentional dig at Luis before the game....it was a tactical move on his behalf, playing mind games....it happened to backfire on him...
Sign Reus
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 73
Under 16 Player
|
|
Under 16 Player
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 73 |
I think a straight red is a bit too harsh. Players would then have to tone down their celebrations in fear of being accused of incitement. Although, i do disagree with a player deliberately trying to wind up opposing fans.
For me personally, i want them to show their emotions in the right way, not bottle them up through fear. This is all part of the exitement for me. Football is all about passion and emotion.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 8,791
1st Team Squad
|
|
1st Team Squad
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 8,791 |
I think a straight red is a bit too harsh. Players would then have to tone down their celebrations in fear of being accused of incitement. Although, i do disagree with a player deliberately trying to wind up opposing fans.
For me personally, i want them to show their emotions in the right way, not bottle them up through fear. This is all part of the exitement for me. Football is all about passion and emotion.
Agreed, however showing opposing fans the middle finger or running the length of the pitch to celebrate infront of opposition fans are clearly celebrations intended to incite opposing fans so I would dish out a straight red for that...no need to bottle up your emotions with any normal celebrations, but these are extreme cases of incitement.
Sign Reus
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 73
Under 16 Player
|
|
Under 16 Player
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 73 |
I think a straight red is a bit too harsh. Players would then have to tone down their celebrations in fear of being accused of incitement. Although, i do disagree with a player deliberately trying to wind up opposing fans.
For me personally, i want them to show their emotions in the right way, not bottle them up through fear. This is all part of the exitement for me. Football is all about passion and emotion.
Agreed, however showing opposing fans the middle finger or running the length of the pitch to celebrate infront of opposition fans are clearly celebrations intended to incite opposing fans so I would dish out a straight red for that...no need to bottle up your emotions with any normal celebrations, but these are extreme cases of incitement. I agree that those two examples are clearly over the top and wrong. i personally don't see them as a straight red though. I'd say a yellow card would suffice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 815
Under 18 Player
|
|
Under 18 Player
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 815 |
Chris Kirkland didn't incite but look what happened?!
Agree With Car that we need to get rid of the filth in the stands not on the field! Suarez diving in front of Moyes and Everton bench? Incitement or good for game?!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 15,010
1st Team Regular
|
|
1st Team Regular
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 15,010 |
i think players just need to show more common sense. for example, if they are walking down the street or in a pub full of strangers do they mouth off and start goading people? no, because they will get bottled. anyone would. when you are in a footie stadium its not different. people are people, disrespect them, expect a backlash. not condoning the backlash, but it happens.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628
Liverpool Legend
|
|
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628 |
i agree common sense should prevail normal celebration in front of any fans is fine. if it winds some up tough. but running the opposite direction or making abusive gestures to fans is a yellow or red or fa enquiry. depends on the situation and one that needs action should be obvious. but the default position should be to allow the players to celebrate we dont want the game to be any more sterile than it is personalities and incidents are what its all about
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,060
Under 23 Player
|
|
Under 23 Player
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,060 |
I think its a slippery slope if you start sending people off for their celebration. Was Suarez's dive in front of Moyes, or Klinsmans dive worth a sending off or was it just good banter that we should see more of.
Fans give out stick to opposition players for the whole 90 minutes, yet cant take it when its returned? that's the fans problem, they need to learn to not dish out what they cant take themselves.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628
Liverpool Legend
|
|
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628 |
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
