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I disagree, if they've got the ability then they've got the ability. It doesn't take anything away from them that some players, like Gerrard, decide to show loyalty rather than leaving to have a better chance of winning things. but thats just it, Gerrard had the chance to play for a Club who would provide him with the platform to be world class but chose not too so he has himself to blame, ordinary or mediocre players dont get the chance to pick which club to play for they have to go to clubs which agree a fee whereas as there is no excuse for the top players as they have control of there own destiny and pick the very best if they want. If you look at Zidane, he wanted to be the best player on the plannet but knew he would never in a million years achieve that playing for his belovered Marseille in the French first division so what did he do, he went and played for a top Italien team in Juve and then he went to the best team in the world at the time Madrid, only then did he he earn the title best player in the world, same went for Luis Figo playing for Sporting Lisbon, Maradonna at his belovered Boca and even Dalglish at Celtic...
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joe is right in my view if you are a top talent you owe it to yourself and the world of football to play on the top stage. To take an extreme example what if messi started at darlington and stayed there out of loyalty in his career would his talent and the opportunity to evaluate him still be there? clearly not but that extreme example proves the basic point
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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joe is right in my view if you are a top talent you owe it to yourself and the world of football to play on the top stage. To take an extreme example what if messi started at darlington and stayed there out of loyalty in his career would his talent and the opportunity to evaluate him still be there? clearly not but that extreme example proves the basic point thats it stanley, exactly right, you owe it to yourself to be the best you can which means showcasing your talent for the world if you want to be regarded as world class. Imagine someone like Frank Sinatra just singing in his local Club and then once he's finished saying yep I was the best I could of sang in Vegas or Broadway, its pretty hollow because its all if's and buts...
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Di Canio, Shearer, Larsson etc are 3 players who didn't go setting the world alight but are still regarded as world class players. Theres alot more too Joe.
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Di Canio, Shearer, Larsson etc are 3 players who didn't go setting the world alight but are still regarded as world class players. Theres alot more too Joe. ian very very top players but not world class capable of world class performances but not truely world class
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Di Canio, Shearer, Larsson etc are 3 players who didn't go setting the world alight but are still regarded as world class players. Theres alot more too Joe. ian very very top players but not world class capable of world class performances but not truely world class yes exactly right fazakerley, Gascoine, Le Tissier, Zola, Ian Wright, Shearer, Gerrard, Batistuta, Torres and even Owen in his pomp were all very, very good players but just fell short because they never achieved greatness as in the world class tag, what you win in any sport defines you, thats why Federer, Tiger Woods, Mike Tyson, Pele, Maradonna and Steve Redgrave are all set apart from other very good sportsman, its because of what they won and achieved in there chosen sport...
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Di Canio, Shearer, Larsson etc are 3 players who didn't go setting the world alight but are still regarded as world class players. Theres alot more too Joe. ian very very top players but not world class capable of world class performances but not truely world class yes exactly right fazakerley, Gascoine, Le Tissier, Zola, Ian Wright, Shearer, Gerrard, Batistuta, Torres and even Owen in his pomp were all very, very good players but just fell short because they never achieved greatness as in the world class tag, what you win in any sport defines you, thats why Federer, Tiger Woods, Mike Tyson, Pele, Maradonna and Steve Redgrave are all set apart from other very good sportsman, its because of what they won and achieved in there chosen sport... i think your right , i think the world class tag get put up very very easily nowdays , its like one time someone told me stephane henchoz was world class when yes very decent defender not no where near world class.
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but thats just it, Gerrard had the chance to play for a Club who would provide him with the platform to be world class but chose not too so he has himself to blame, ordinary or mediocre players dont get the chance to pick which club to play for they have to go to clubs which agree a fee whereas as there is no excuse for the top players as they have control of there own destiny and pick the very best if they want. If you look at Zidane, he wanted to be the best player on the plannet but knew he would never in a million years achieve that playing for his belovered Marseille in the French first division so what did he do, he went and played for a top Italien team in Juve and then he went to the best team in the world at the time Madrid, only then did he he earn the title best player in the world, same went for Luis Figo playing for Sporting Lisbon, Maradonna at his belovered Boca and even Dalglish at Celtic... pele played over 600 times for santos. he had offers to move to a bigger club in europe (real, juve, man utd) but he chose not to move to those clubs. he stayed at his home town club. granted he won alot of club titles with santos but even then the brazilian league was a shadow of what was going on in europe. he's done alright for himself...reputation wise....though pele hasn't he?
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but thats just it, Gerrard had the chance to play for a Club who would provide him with the platform to be world class but chose not too so he has himself to blame, ordinary or mediocre players dont get the chance to pick which club to play for they have to go to clubs which agree a fee whereas as there is no excuse for the top players as they have control of there own destiny and pick the very best if they want. If you look at Zidane, he wanted to be the best player on the plannet but knew he would never in a million years achieve that playing for his belovered Marseille in the French first division so what did he do, he went and played for a top Italien team in Juve and then he went to the best team in the world at the time Madrid, only then did he he earn the title best player in the world, same went for Luis Figo playing for Sporting Lisbon, Maradonna at his belovered Boca and even Dalglish at Celtic... pele played over 600 times for santos. he had offers to move to a bigger club in europe (real, juve, man utd) but he chose not to move to those clubs. he stayed at his home town club. just curious joe, how would you rate pele? a bit lacking cos he didn't choose the big bucks in europe maybe? intrigued to hear your answer and rationale. how many world cups did pele win ????
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he won 3 faz, not sure he chose his nationality though.
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