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6 months, his seat hasn't even got an assgroove yet.

he mightn't have a seat soon. i think we are wasting our time with him. i think the being liverpool idea was a terrible idea, even though it wasnt his, it has made a mockery of the club and manager and the more the poor results and performances rack up, the more BR is getting exposed. its should be rebranded beating liverpool.

we are becoming more like a political party than a football club. every interview is about appeasing the public, making excuses, focusing on postives instead of results. i think he would be a terrific person to work with the youth system, but he doesnt have what we need to turn this club around. he was always an outside shot. he has done some good things bringing youth through, but we are miles away from challenging on a serious level. not only do we lack depth and talent, but we lack back bone. we make every game difficult no matter who the opposition. (granted previous managers have done that too). its not about players either, there are a couple of teams in the CL at the moment that are playing out of their skin. they are not big budget teams, they are simply well oiled, well versed and well organised. they are enjoying their football and are ambitious in their approach.... and here we are fuucking about with stewart downing, joe cole and trying to convince ourselves that joe allen or shelvey might just be the next gerrard.

its all nonsense lads, we have been in this hole for so long that we are starting to see things that just aint there. with that said, i will never buy into the ridiculous (wum) arguement that we are no longer a big club. thats bolx. we are an absolutely massive club and will continue to be for decades to come. we just have the wrong people at the helm. again.

Why is he failing? he takes a team which had hardly won a game in 6mths and decides to do somethi g different and rely on youth and courage - hardly failing, results are improving and the play is good to watch.

Also Shanks was arrogant, as was Clough, as is Mourinho(incredibly) and Fergie. A manager makes statements to tell everybody he is in charge - its a message for the press, fans and players alike.

if you were ever looking for a definition of the phrases "selective" and "out of context", this could be a great illustration of such

1) Being Liverpool wasn't his idea - you said it yourself yet blame him?

2) We lost 1 game in the last 10 against a good Tottenham team where we should have had a penalty and deserved more out of the game as admitted by their manager

3) we won this weekend yet you're on giving out about him?

4) He is being forced to play Downing and Henderson because of the purchases of previous owners. Allen started very well, has had a dip in form but will hopefully pick it back up now that Lucas is back

5) Lucas is back, a player whom BR said was going to be a crucial cog in his team

6) It is 6 months into his tenure, hardly a long enough time to judge if he can or can't turn things around, particularly as we are creating chances in games but just not converting them.

7) No manager would have us challenging with this squad of players

8) The teams playing out of their skins-
Everton- a well established playing staff coupled with a very good manager
West Brom - A very good manager playing good football and picked up 4 wins on the trot to catapult them up the table
Swansea- Laudrup doing an excellent job building on the work done by Rodgers and Martinez before him.

9)This is a completely new formation and ideology that our players are trying to play and it will take time to adapt to it. It took our defence the guts of 10 league and Europa games to look solid and then it clicked and we have kept 5 clean sheets in the last 9 league games. We have also only failed to score in 1 of those games

10) we are still a big club and will probably always have a relatively large support regardless of league position but that means nothing in actual terms when we don't have massive amounts of cash to spend on transfers and have a very small playing squad. It will probably take the next 2 windows to have a manageable squad going forward devoid of most of the deadwood of previous managers and more academy prospects making the jump to senior status

+1. Completely agree. There are far too many fans gunning for him at every opportunity. Lay off him, ffs lads. 'We want goals' this, and 'he talks too much' that. We all want the same thing, but the guy deserves time before being written off. It's early days. I don't think he looks as out of his depth as some make out.

I think he looks fetching.

Honestly thinks its only Liverpool fans who do this.

Great post this. I get totally frustrated when people are not honset with themselves, be it fans or the manager. Always looking for the positives, even when they are in short supply. I prefer looking at the facts, we are 11th in the league. That is how well he is doing ladies, wakey, wakey.

All this talk about 'vision' 'philosophy' 'educated supporters' and 'growing the group' is just an attempt to divert flak and buy time. Brendan Rodgers we are not stupid and we know the difference between a good side and manager and a bad side and manager. You are a pale imitation the greats that have gone before you and spin as much as you like but we are and will see through you.

Just in case there is any ambiguity, I want this man OUT. 100% not a liverpool manager.