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TheMightyLfc - I know as much about business as you and any other fan. But I do know you dont go in to a car sales man and tell him how much you love that car in pink worth 12k and that you've only got 17 to spend.

that's what I thought you might be getting at, but I think we were trying to discuss something a little mor subtle than that.

When FSG sacked Kenny they said that even though we had success in the cups, the league form was unacceptable. I think they expected to challenge for a top for place last season. I think that was a commendable statement of intent.

This season however, the picture is becoming confused again with lots of noises about how it's going to take time to turn things around etc. Showing a fighting spirit and setting higher goals doesn't have to be only through high transfer spending - and I don't think anyone is asking the owners to declare their budget or transfer targets for January.

Anyway, gotta go out now.

catch you all later.

No I wasn't hinting at anything more subtle that was my 1 and only point mate.

Id agree with you on FSG I dont think we should forget what they did for us when they bought us because we were in a difficult place then so we should thank them for that as they paid off a considerable amount of debt. However this obiously doesnt protect them for critism as they havent really paid out apart from that one summer under kenny and when you look at the net spend I would expect more. But I still think they can help us out more and agree we should at least wait until February to judge them too harshly, January will be a big window for us and I believe it will shape our season(Good or Bad)FSG will have a lot riding on it.

To paraphrase Shakespeare: "Come what, come February"

Love the man as a manager, but very happy with Brendan Rogers, so I don't have a clue what that makes me either?


As for this discussion It is warranted Ian as it comes from direct quotes BR has made about January. This is not some off the cuff viewpoint by anyone less than impressed with FSG have a moan.

If you search the web and find it (I think the Telegraph covered it) there is very little positive commentary quoted by BR in regard funding for the January window.

I will grant you though it could be to try and quash any silly quotes for players and this club being a soft touch.

I reckon anyway 20 million could get us 2 cracking players. Mouassa Sissoko's contract is up in the summer he'd be great cover for Lucas and he'd probably get in our first 11 in general, we'd get him for 6 - 8 million imo. But im not really interested in this rumour bullsh!t to be honest il just wait and see what happens as we have 8 or 9 important games between now and then. Everyone says take it game by game so lets take it day by day and cut out this transfer bull.

I'm not sure what this thread is any more, it seems to have gone through several topics of discussion. Some basic points though, I do believe Suarez will go at the latest the summer of 2014 if we aren't signing 'big' players or achieving/look like achieving top 4 status. Even then he may go because he is a very special player, if he improves any more, clubs who are competing for domestic trophies and champions league triumphs will want him, and we would still be attempting to get top 4. But that's not the end of the world, everyone is replacable, but we have to make sure we are in a position (i.e. competing for champions league) to be able to sign the kinds of players that could replace him.

On FSG, I think right from the off they made it pretty clear (at least implicitly so) that we were not going to be the kind of club to sign 3 20 million pound players + every season. They spoke of the arsenal way of doing things, they spoke of building through youth, they spoke of being a self sustaining club. I think in their heads we would have a large initial outlay (last year which Kenny wasted on tripe) and then maybe sign one quality player a season as we would be competing for champions league. Something along those lines anyway. However it didn't pan out like that, we wasted the most money we are ever going to have at one time on players who can't keep 17 yr olds out of the team.

All the talk now is of time and building for the future. There are also comments on how angry Henry et al about FFP rules not being as strong as they were supposed to have been. FSG clearly felt they could compete with the top clubs money wise because FFP would curb their spending. It hasn't so they can't.

I think we will continue to get some money, got about 20 million in the summer, I think that's less than we will get most years, but as Rodgers has alluded to several times, Liverpool HAVE to balance the books after the worst transfer period ever thanks to Kenny Dalglish. Due to us underperforming yet again (not by that much in my opinion, a couple of wins and we would be where our team sheet should be in the table) and the fact that we let carroll go whilst getting no replacement, not to mention borini being a poor poor signing for what we needed at the time, I think FSG will feel slightly pressured to give a bit more money in Jan then they originally would have to appease the fans slightly.

Probably sturridge and loan or two in the Jan window. And a bit more movement in the summer.

If they're looking to do it the Arsenal way, then we can expect a cabinet full of trophys in the near future!

Well, when I started the thread I didn't have transfer tartgets or transfer winodw budgets in mind. Just that we're getting mixed messages in terms our club's intent, ambitions and timeframes for those ambition from the differeing tone and language from different quarters.

Tom Werner:

“Our intention is to strengthen but actions will speak louder than words,” he said. “We are playing better and better each week. Obviously, we have made some mistakes in the past but our intention is to deliver, strengthen the squad and move forward.

“We know that January is a challenging time and I don’t want to say we’ve got x or y but, hopefully, the fans will be pleased with what we do accomplish.”

In contrast, BRs comments produced down beat headlines and write up sin the press. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1240922/liverpool's-brendan-rodgers-predicts-quiet-january-transfer-window?cc=5739

So which is it?

Personally, I feel BR is playing things down a bit too much. Talk of the squad not being entirely his own, that it will take a few windows/seasons etc. doesn't send the right vibes in my opinion. I prefer the approach where a manager talks up the squad he finds at a club and backs it and the players to be good enough to challenge and win.

For players at a club like ours i think such an approach would boost confidence and the players would also set their sights higher. As things stand some players may think 'we're not doing too bad and if we can get into the top half that'll be great. After all, the boss doesn't think we're capable of getting much higher than that'

He's covering his ass by distancing himself from the current (poor) squad. I'd do it too.

I am putting a bet on for us to get sinclair on loan in January. It's in the stars boys.