Just another rehash thread with the same old handwringing and self pity. Let's see what gives in January then you can all start dooming if it doesn't work out.
Hi KP... what are you going on about? How does a slightly critical interpretation analysis equate to 'self pity' and 'dooming'?
And what's Rafa got to do with any of this? You're not obsessed with Rafa are you

Seriously though, just because some people have doubts about what exactly our ambitions and timescales are, it doesn't mean that they're dooming. It may all work out fine in the end, but it's just unclear at the moment what our plan is.
e.g. when are we expecting to challenge for a top 4 place? If it's not this season, is it next season?
e.g. when do we expect the Anfield refurbishment to be started and completed?
If you know the answers to either of these questions, please do enlighten us.
My comment wasn't particularly aimed at you mate.... but self pity and doom-mongering are what eats this board up most of the time. Anyone would think we're Rochdale Football club.
Rafa has a lot to do with it because the majority of our posters think he's the messiah and would instantly lead our current squad to the promised land. I know it's ridiculous but that's the way it stands on here at the moment.
Regarding top 4 and ground development... we don't know and are required to have some patience in the still very new game plan on all fronts. Our club underwent massive changes this summer... and it was a big commitment by the owners to something new and developmental. So forgive me if some of us get a bit annoyed with our YNWA singing fans that want to give up on everything so early into a new programme.
I didn't take it personally as such. The other side of the coin is that any criticism or questioning of BR/FSG is jumped on by some as moaning or dooming. Isn't it natural, perhaps even healthy, that people have doubts given that we've already been sold down the river by on owner and taken for a ride by another pair of owners?
Rafa was the messiah in the sense that he delivered us the holy grail

Joking aside though, I don't think anyone belives Rafa would have achieved instant success with this squad. But I think even you'll agree that he would have set his sights higher in a shorter timespan thereby also increasing the pressure on the owners to show their cards.
Re: fighting for top 4 and ground revelopment, having patience to see it happen is one thing, but not knowing what the plans are is surely something else.
The owners have been in place for 2 years now. Even if we leave aside the stadium, question how can a club like LFC be in a positions where the fans conclude 'we don't know' when we'll be targetting a top 4 finish? (bearing in mind also that we should really be asking 'when do we expect to challenge for th title again?')