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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Not at all Bar. We know you support BR but by your own admission you'd also take Rafa back should conditions allow for it.

There are a LOT of 'conditions', but that's neither here nor there. I'm not an extremist one way or the other - why should I be placed in some metaphoric camp?


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This is just getting silly and off topic

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Not at all Bar. We know you support BR but by your own admission you'd also take Rafa back should conditions allow for it.

There are a LOT of 'conditions', but that's neither here nor there. I'm not an extremist one way or the other - why should I be placed in some metaphoric camp?


Relax - it's just a figure of speech. No one is going to paint the mark of the beast on your forehead!

Well I didn't think you were going to physically place me in a camp. Hence the word 'metaphorical'.

The extremes need to be cut out, they distort logic.


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Just another rehash thread with the same old handwringing and self pity. Let's see what gives in January then you can all start dooming if it doesn't work out.


Hi KP... what are you going on about? How does a slightly critical interpretation analysis equate to 'self pity' and 'dooming'?

And what's Rafa got to do with any of this? You're not obsessed with Rafa are you grin

Seriously though, just because some people have doubts about what exactly our ambitions and timescales are, it doesn't mean that they're dooming. It may all work out fine in the end, but it's just unclear at the moment what our plan is.

e.g. when are we expecting to challenge for a top 4 place? If it's not this season, is it next season?

e.g. when do we expect the Anfield refurbishment to be started and completed?

If you know the answers to either of these questions, please do enlighten us.


My comment wasn't particularly aimed at you mate.... but self pity and doom-mongering are what eats this board up most of the time. Anyone would think we're Rochdale Football club.

Rafa has a lot to do with it because the majority of our posters think he's the messiah and would instantly lead our current squad to the promised land. I know it's ridiculous but that's the way it stands on here at the moment.

Regarding top 4 and ground development... we don't know and are required to have some patience in the still very new game plan on all fronts. Our club underwent massive changes this summer... and it was a big commitment by the owners to something new and developmental. So forgive me if some of us get a bit annoyed with our YNWA singing fans that want to give up on everything so early into a new programme.


I didn't take it personally as such. The other side of the coin is that any criticism or questioning of BR/FSG is jumped on by some as moaning or dooming. Isn't it natural, perhaps even healthy, that people have doubts given that we've already been sold down the river by on owner and taken for a ride by another pair of owners?

Rafa was the messiah in the sense that he delivered us the holy grail grin Joking aside though, I don't think anyone belives Rafa would have achieved instant success with this squad. But I think even you'll agree that he would have set his sights higher in a shorter timespan thereby also increasing the pressure on the owners to show their cards.

Re: fighting for top 4 and ground revelopment, having patience to see it happen is one thing, but not knowing what the plans are is surely something else.

The owners have been in place for 2 years now. Even if we leave aside the stadium, question how can a club like LFC be in a positions where the fans conclude 'we don't know' when we'll be targetting a top 4 finish? (bearing in mind also that we should really be asking 'when do we expect to challenge for th title again?')


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My word in my opinion some of you are so thick and really dont understand business at all. I dont either but i know the jists of it and this thread is pathetic maybe acceptable on february 1st but lately KopTalk has really turned in to CrapTalk.

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whats february 1st got to do with it?

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Thats when the window ends. And this thread would make sense. Listen we have no clue whether were getting 1 or 100 million in Jan, regardless of what FSG, Rodgers or the man on the moon says. We'll see in Jan.


And also KopPophet after reading your posts I really think Carheex was correct about you. Do you talk about things or do you just accuse people of sh!t? Because Bar doesn't slag Rafa like yourself and a couple of the grandad's on here doesn't mean he loves him and if he praises him it doesn't mean he loves him. Yourself, Faz and JoeCool are such hypocrites at times and have such double standards its unbelievable.

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Majority? I think thats an overstatement. Many of us respect what he did and don't get a kick out of slating him but we don't want him back...

I respect what he did. I don't get a kick out of slating him. I'm very much split on whether I'd EVER want to see him back, but I definitely don't want him back in the near future, I'm 100% behind BR.

However, because I don't bad-mouth him at every half opportunity, that makes me one of the "majority" of people who "thinks he's the Messiah".

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Originally Posted By: IanHorgo
My word in my opinion some of you are so thick and really dont understand business at all. I dont either but i know the jists of it and this thread is pathetic maybe acceptable on february 1st but lately KopTalk has really turned in to CrapTalk.


Hi Ian. This is a fans forum, most of whom are primarily interested in success in terms of match performances, results and trophies. Fans come from a cross section of society and they have a range of abilities from dunce to genius. All are welcome.

So if some of us don't understand business do forgive us. But it would help us if you shared some of your business acumen rather than just having a go at those of us who might not be up to your standard.


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Originally Posted By: IanHorgo
Thats when the window ends. And this thread would make sense. Listen we have no clue whether were getting 1 or 100 million in Jan, regardless of what FSG, Rodgers or the man on the moon says. We'll see in Jan.


And also KopPophet after reading your posts I really think Carheex was correct about you. Do you talk about things or do you just accuse people of sh!t? Because Bar doesn't slag Rafa like yourself and a couple of the grandad's on here doesn't mean he loves him and if he praises him it doesn't mean he loves him. Yourself, Faz and JoeCool are such hypocrites at times and have such double standards its unbelievable.
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