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but he couldnt beat debrecen , barnsley , burnley, reading to name a few .

but he couldnt beat debrecen , barnsley , burnley, reading to name a few .

Very pathetic mate. Very very pathetic.

hang on mate its true its fact .

Sorry Dunk, although I empathise with a lot of what you're saying, I can't quite align myself to it all.

Yes, Chelsea's fans are plastic ingrates that fail to realise that they are where they are because of their 'sugar daddy.' But ask yourself - how would you have felt if Rafa got sacked 6 months after Istanbul? How would our fans have reacted? I happen to think that RDM got slightly lucky to go on a run with AVB's team - but the reality is he presided over their FIRST EVER European cup win.

Chelsea fans should really go after Uncle Roman - a meddling buffoon who fired his umpteenth manager only a few months after they win their first ever European cup. But they can't because they are nothing without him. So that makes Rafa an easier target - although the demonstrations are stupid because they indicate that they want their own team to lose so Rafa gets thrown out.

Despite all this I can't muster much sympathy for Rafa. He blindly grabbed the most poisoned chalice in club football because he didn't have the guts to go to an honest club and rebuild his managerial career. He would have been so much better off doing what Redknapp, O'Neill, Sven and others have done after a disappointing tenure. I agree that he doesn't have a chance at Chelsea - but he'll make enough dosh to where I can't really pity him. Plus, he's too stubborn to realise that his reign will be no different to so-called 'world class' managers like Ancelotti, Scolari, AVB, Ranieri, etc.

The saddest development here is our delusional fans that continue to want Rafa back at all costs - even after he's whored himself out to a losing cause at Chelsea. Why? Because they cling to a seven year old sense of nostalgia and revisionism that makes them think that Rafa could turn any squad in any condition at any time into instant champions. This black and white mentality ignores many of the complexities that worked to make Istanbul possible, many of which had little to do with a manager that got his personnel and tactics wrong as often as he got them right. I don't think Rafa would fare well on a return to Liverpool - and I certainly don't think it's worth the risk. The problem is that he doesn't develop as a person - and that will work against him in any job he takes from now on. It will only be a matter of time until he butts heads with Roman, the player-power at a Chelsea, and the new attacking philosophy that has driven their recent purchases. He's a bad fit all round.

But I do agree that our fans are second to none - although the growing contingent of unreasonables that want us to keep spinning the manager merry-go-round every time we hit a rough patch of form has become nauseating. But I don't think this is unique to LIverpool. Sadly, the modern fan is a "fair weather" fan with a FIFA/PES mentality.

Someone mentioned that Rafa had proven that you could beat the top teams without having a sugar daddy. He was making a (valid) point. What point was your immature retort serving? Other than yet again showing everyone how much distaste you have for Rafa. Everyone is well aware of it by now faz.

oh ok bar we will have it your way .

I'm sorry mate, but there's no need for those sort of comments. What you said wasn't untrue, but there's absolutely no sense to it at all. You don't have to take every single positive thing someone says about Rafa as an invitation to have a pointless dig at him or discredit him.