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and not one fact about zonal marking..the fact is rafa came in to a club that was lucky to have one the best ever centre half's here already in hyppia..added to that rafa played negative football and still I remember most goals we conceded were from set pieces. man utd,chelsea,arsenal and others used to regularly score from wide free kicks or corners..
and when hyppia got too old then the idiotic zonal system was really exposed and we started losing a goal a game to it. Hyppia was a rock for us, of course Rafa was lucky to have him there. In 06-07 we conceded 27 goals in the league, then in 07-08 we conceded 28. Hyypia then lost his starting place in the team, and the following season (08-09) we conceded 27 goals. As for the "Rafa played negative football" comment, that season - the one where Agger took Hyypia's place, we not only conceded just 27 goals (3 goals more than the best defence) but we were the league's highest scorers that season with 77 in the league and 100+ in all competitions.
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to be quite frank
a) theres no flawless way of defending set peices. some teams will always cause problems and cause goals.
b) you cant keep swapping or changing. You have to work at it and as i said in my top post you have to be able to adapt to the game and do real homework on the opponents.
c) there was no video evidence under shanks bob and fagan and if there was any evidence they had to go and watch the game themselves. We should be at an advantage as evrything is mostly televised now and we have a whole department dedicated to technical analysis.
d) theres no right or wrong opinion on zonal or man to man. But it has to work and you have to learn from it. The better quality of defensive instinct the player has the better chance of not conceding goals from set peices.
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no its not ..the counter arguement is idiotic. it doesn't work and that has been proved time and time again,especially in england..scolari,rafa and now mancini all found out over it..there is a good way and there is a wrong way.zonal is wrong and thus if employed - idiotic.
- Liverpool set a new club record of 11 consecutive clean sheets (Oct-Dec 2005).
- Pepe Reina kept more clean sheets in his first 50 league games (28) than any other goalkeeper in the club’s history.
- Pepe Reina kept his 50th league clean sheet in his 92nd appearance – breaking club record of 95 held by Ray Clemence.
- Pepe Reina kept his 100th clean sheet in the fastest time in Liverpool history (197 games).
- Pepe Reina set a new club record of most clean sheets (79) in first 150 league games.
All the above records were set during Rafa's reign when this majorly flawed zonal marking system was in place. and not one fact about zonal marking..the fact is rafa came in to a club that was lucky to have one the best ever centre half's here already in hyppia..added to that rafa played negative football and still I remember most goals we conceded were from set pieces. man utd,chelsea,arsenal and others used to regularly score from wide free kicks or corners.. and when hyppia got too old then the idiotic zonal system was really exposed and we started losing a goal a game to it. Hyppia's last season the one we nearly won the bloody title? Silly argument. Saying that Rafa played negative football is also inaccurate. Rafa had great possession, and we scored more goals under him than Dalglish or Rodgers. We were beating Real Madrid and United 4-1 under him that season.
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more wrong "facts"..under rafa we had an average of 0.614 league goals per game...under BR its 0.758 per game. rafa was a boring feck.
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BR's win ratio = 38.1% (lower than dalglish, hodgson AND souness!)
RB's win ratio = 55.5% (higher than houllier & shankly)
Goals scored and conceded can be misleading. A better analysis to look at is 'games won'.
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BR's win ratio = 38.1% (lower than dalglish, hodgson AND souness!)
RB's win ratio = 55.5% (higher than houllier & shankly)
Goals scored and conceded can be misleading. A better analysis to look at is 'games won'. not when the topic is rafa was a negative boring manager..which he was
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more wrong "facts"..under rafa we had an average of 0.614 league goals per game...under BR its 0.758 per game. rafa was a boring feck. I don't know where you're getting that, but look at the tabled from his tenure, and it's clear that those averages are misleading. In 2007-2008 we scored 119 goals, more than any other team in England. In 2008-9 we had the highest goal differential we'd ever had in the league since 87, the first time we'd reached a 50+ differential since then. That was one of the highest scoring teams we have had in a long time. It was also the first time we scored 3 goals in 6 successive games, the biggest win at Old Trafford in 72 years. Sounds like exciting football to me. If you mean he was boring because not many teams scored against us, then you have me there. Some of the best games I've ever seen were under his reign. I'm not asking for him back. Not the way forward. But don't deny what the man did here.
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more wrong "facts"..under rafa we had an average of 0.614 league goals per game...under BR its 0.758 per game. rafa was a boring feck. I don't know where you're getting that, but look at the tabled from his tenure, and it's clear that those averages are misleading. In 2007-2008 we scored 119 goals, more than any other team in England. In 2008-9 we had the highest goal differential we'd ever had in the league since 87, the first time we'd reached a 50+ differential since then. That was one of the highest scoring teams we have had in a long time. It was also the first time we scored 3 goals in 6 successive games, the biggest win at Old Trafford in 72 years. Sounds like exciting football to me. If you mean he was boring because not many teams scored against us, then you have me there. Some of the best games I've ever seen were under his reign. I'm not asking for him back. Not the way forward. But don't deny what the man did here. +1. Great post, couldn't agree more. I'd say what you said is undisputable, but I don't think there's any such thing as that on this forum, lol
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