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Sacking managers after one season or even half has hardly worked for us, has it? We need a long term plan (and I feel we currently have one) and see the thing out for once. Sacking managers regularly is no less successful than keeping them for long periods. It's the quality of the manager that determines our success. Some would rather we stuck with a manager, even if he's out of his depth, than be seen as a club that sacks people not up to the job. I can't work out why though. Once we get a GOOD manager, then we should stick by him. Sticking by someone like rodgers won't turn him into bob paisley. This is probably true in the short term but it's a little short sighted. It damages the club in the long term if you're constantly replacing the manager. Why is it you think Rodgers isn't good enough CarheeX? Sorry if you've already expressed this but I'm at work and haven't read through the entire column/comments.
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he's a bullsh1tter, does any1 believe what he says to press,?
I bet he doesnt himself.
The footy does the talkin full of hypocrites on here. You crticise Kenny for not saying anything and being anti-press and not slagging the players off after bad games. Gerrard said we were aiming for top 4 and you come on saying he is cuckoo land and need to get real blah, blah blah. Now BR's makes a true statement that finishing above last year is the target and he still is slagged off. The press have you guys on strings - right load of puppets +1. Spot on. If anybody on here even suggests we may have a shot of finishing in the top 4, they're lifted out of it and laughed off as living with their heads in the clouds. Brendan is honest and says it'd be great to improve on last season's 8th spot, and he's blasted for it. Let's put this in perspective - he's saying we should be aiming for AT LEAST 7th. That's 7th or higher, and we have people on here hanging him for that?! Are we for f*cking real?? Who on here thinks we even have a chance of finishing higher than 7th?? Because I haven't seen anybody lately saying that we have. Absolute joke. Bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.
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I look around and see Jol, Allardyce, RDM, AVB, Clarke, Laudrup.......all are new managerial appointments and all are doing well very quickly. None of them needed 2 years to settle in, none of them talk about a mythical new 'philosophy' and none of them have dragged their team down to lower than their predecessor.
Part of my background in a previous career has required me to be able to read people, and I can promise you that rodgers is out of his depth and he knows it. He strikes me as someone who can talk the talk.....but that's where it ends - he will have told FSG what they wanted to hear in order to get the job. He laid the foundations for a few years in the hot seat by saying, even before a ball was kicked, that it would be a slow rebuilding project and the fans would need to be patient.
Why is he doing so badly compared to other managers that have weaker squads and fewer resources if he's supposedly the future of LFC? In a nutshell, the guy is a bvllsh1tter and a lot of people have found that out already. Some are bit slow off the makr though. I imagine that his bosses will already be having concerns.
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he's a bullsh1tter, does any1 believe what he says to press,?
I bet he doesnt himself.
The footy does the talkin full of hypocrites on here. You crticise Kenny for not saying anything and being anti-press and not slagging the players off after bad games. Gerrard said we were aiming for top 4 and you come on saying he is cuckoo land and need to get real blah, blah blah. Now BR's makes a true statement that finishing above last year is the target and he still is slagged off. The press have you guys on strings - right load of puppets +1. Spot on. If anybody on here even suggests we may have a shot of finishing in the top 4, they're lifted out of it and laughed off as living with their heads in the clouds. Brendan is honest and says it'd be great to improve on last season's 8th spot, and he's blasted for it. Let's put this in perspective - he's saying we should be aiming for AT LEAST 7th. That's 7th or higher, and we have people on here hanging him for that?! Are we for f*cking real?? Who on here thinks we even have a chance of finishing higher than 7th?? Because I haven't seen anybody lately saying that we have. Absolute joke. Bunch of hypocrites the lot of you. Is that anymore ludicrous than the people who think he should only be sacked if we're relegated?
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I look around and see Jol, Allardyce, RDM, AVB, Clarke, Laudrup.......all are new managerial appointments and all are doing well very quickly. None of them needed 2 years to settle in, none of them talk about a mythical new 'philosophy' and none of them have dragged their team down to lower than their predecessor.
Part of my background in a previous career has required me to be able to read people, and I can promise you that rodgers is out of his depth and he knows it. He strikes me as someone who can talk the talk.....but that's where it ends - he will have told FSG what they wanted to hear in order to get the job. He laid the foundations for a few years in the hot seat by saying, even before a ball was kicked, that it would be a slow rebuilding project and the fans would need to be patient.
Why is he doing so badly compared to other managers that have weaker squads and fewer resources if he's supposedly the future of LFC? Can't put it all on the manager, a fair few of our players are underperforming.
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he should be aiming for 4th. no crap talk like higher than 8th. 4th has to be the aim or else why bother..its between us everton,arsenal,spurs and newcastle. we are better than those teams. if BR gets some men into the box then we will start winning games. i like suso in behind suarez,suso for sahin.
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Do you not think that he has shown himself to be well able to change things mid game to our benefit? This doesn't strike me as a man who is feeling out of his depth.
Are you saying that he is out of his depth when it comes to press conferences and dealings with the media or just generally?
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We need to stick by him and give him time to get his players in a implement his plan a bit more. He arrived at a very complicated time with players not only playing at the euros but also at the Olympics. Plus he arrived weeks after the season had ended. It hasn't been ideal, but we're starting to see some form, being unbeaten in 6 league games.
It's a bit premature to say he's out of his depth, he needs time, and its clear to see that as the season has progressed, so have the results.
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The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!
I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.
Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.
Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.
When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.
On what basis could you possibly expect us to finish any higher than 8th? I think an improvement on last season would be fantastic, we're in no position to expect more than that considering all our current troubles.
Looking at our last 3 premier league results, Newcastle, Everton and Chelsea are all teams that will finish above us this season. 3 points from those games are good results and I feel Brendan Rodgers deserves credit for them. And let's be perfectly honest - no hard luck stories, but it should be 5 points. We won that Everton game, we just robbed of 2 points at the death. Brendan Rodgers has made some brave calls tactically and personnelwise in those games too, so I agree he deserves credit - credit some are loathe to award.
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Just heard a. snippet of interview with buck saying that our target for the. season is an improvement on the. 8th position of last year....genius......then then gives it the. Dave oleary...young lads this young lads that.....I'm sorry buck even though I'm a fan, that kind "get out of jail" talk is not good enough period.... For weeks I have been saying that a improvement over last year is a minimum that is expected from BR, and to name a few Faz and Maxi have been arguing forcefully that it was too much to ask. I don't think that BR would keep his job if comes the END of the season we are below 8th and rightfully so, KD was sacked finishing 8th, Rafa 7th, Hoillier 4th, Hodgson was in the 2nd half of the table half way through. However, I think it will not be easy for BR to finish above 8th from what I have seen so far. With the same number of games KD had 7pts more and even RH had 3 more. Talking is good, particularly to get a job when you don't have enough credentials, but to keep the job you need to show results. So BR, now is the time to step up and show your worth. Houllier inherited a team of James, Rob Jones, Redknapp, McMananman, Ince, Fowler, Owen and Ruddock to name but a few we where also a top four team, Benitez inherited a team of Dudek, Riise, Big Sami, Carragher in his peak, Gerrard in his peak, Finnan, Hamann, Kewell and Baros and a team which Houllier left in the top five, I wont mention Roy Hodgson because the feller was never given a chance and was treated disgracefuly in such a short space of time and Dalglish blew the best part of 140 million quid. So to say Rogers is starting on an equal footing as those previous managers is an absolute joke looking at the team and resources we have, he is a pauper compared to Houllier, Benitez and Dalglish as regards being given the same financial backing afforded to the other managers. Its alrite saying get shut, who do people want then to replace him given the fact that any new manager will be in the same boat and have the same restrictions applied to him... Possibly the most sensible post I've ever seen from you joecool, well said
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