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Just heard a. snippet of interview with buck saying that our target for the. season is an improvement on the. 8th position of last year....genius......then then gives it the. Dave oleary...young lads this young lads that.....I'm sorry buck even though I'm a fan, that kind "get out of jail" talk is not good enough period.... For weeks I have been saying that a improvement over last year is a minimum that is expected from BR, and to name a few Faz and Maxi have been arguing forcefully that it was too much to ask. I don't think that BR would keep his job if comes the END of the season we are below 8th and rightfully so, KD was sacked finishing 8th, Rafa 7th, Hoillier 4th, Hodgson was in the 2nd half of the table half way through. However, I think it will not be easy for BR to finish above 8th from what I have seen so far. With the same number of games KD had 7pts more and even RH had 3 more. Talking is good, particularly to get a job when you don't have enough credentials, but to keep the job you need to show results. So BR, now is the time to step up and show your worth. Houllier inherited a team of James, Rob Jones, Redknapp, McMananman, Ince, Fowler, Owen and Ruddock to name but a few we where also a top four team, Benitez inherited a team of Dudek, Riise, Big Sami, Carragher in his peak, Gerrard in his peak, Finnan, Hamann, Kewell and Baros and a team which Houllier left in the top five, I wont mention Roy Hodgson because the feller was never given a chance and was treated disgracefuly in such a short space of time and Dalglish blew the best part of 140 million quid. So to say Rogers is starting on an equal footing as those previous managers is an absolute joke looking at the team and resources we have, he is a pauper compared to Houllier, Benitez and Dalglish as regards being given the same financial backing afforded to the other managers. Its alrite saying get shut, who do people want then to replace him given the fact that any new manager will be in the same boat and have the same restrictions applied to him...
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The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!
I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.
Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.
Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.
When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.
Those players were good enough get us an 8th place finish. If they're that bad then it should be easy for BR to replace them and finish higher up. I haven't seen any sane people saying that 4th is possible or even expected. If you're replacing a manager that got sacked because of his league position then surely the target/expectation is to improve on what cost your predecessor his job, isn't it?
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Just heard a. snippet of interview with buck saying that our target for the. season is an improvement on the. 8th position of last year....genius......then then gives it the. Dave oleary...young lads this young lads that.....I'm sorry buck even though I'm a fan, that kind "get out of jail" talk is not good enough period.... For weeks I have been saying that a improvement over last year is a minimum that is expected from BR, and to name a few Faz and Maxi have been arguing forcefully that it was too much to ask. I don't think that BR would keep his job if comes the END of the season we are below 8th and rightfully so, KD was sacked finishing 8th, Rafa 7th, Hoillier 4th, Hodgson was in the 2nd half of the table half way through. However, I think it will not be easy for BR to finish above 8th from what I have seen so far. With the same number of games KD had 7pts more and even RH had 3 more. Talking is good, particularly to get a job when you don't have enough credentials, but to keep the job you need to show results. So BR, now is the time to step up and show your worth. Houllier inherited a team of James, Rob Jones, Redknapp, McMananman, Ince, Fowler, Owen and Ruddock to name but a few we where also a top four team, Benitez inherited a team of Dudek, Riise, Big Sami, Carragher in his peak, Gerrard in his peak, Finnan, Hamann, Kewell and Baros and a team which Houllier left in the top five, I wont mention Roy Hodgson because the feller was never given a chance and was treated disgracefuly in such a short space of time and Dalglish blew the best part of 140 million quid. So to say Rogers is starting on an equal footing as those previous managers is an absolute joke looking at the team and resources we have, he is a pauper compared to Houllier, Benitez and Dalglish as regards being given the same financial backing afforded to the other managers. Its alrite saying get shut, who do people want then to replace him given the fact that any new manager will be in the same boat and have the same restrictions applied to him... You can say whatever you want, he said it himself that it is his target. For you we know, the target are the cups, but, you wanted KD out despite reaching both finals, and i also know argue for the sake of arguing. So, was a point worth not playing our best team in Russia or you are not sure now?
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The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!
I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.
Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.
Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.
When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.
Those players were good enough get us an 8th place finish. If they're that bad then it should be easy for BR to replace them and finish higher up. I haven't seen any sane people saying that 4th is possible or even expected. If you're replacing a manager that got sacked because of his league position then surely the target/expectation is to improve on what cost your predecessor his job, isn't it? he was'nt sacked because of his league position, that was just the reason they used, he was sacked because of a snidey, little cheat who plays for us and a certain racial incident which Dalglish stupidly backed publicaly which exposed the club to shame worldwide, standard charter stepped in and the rest as they say is history, the position of the table did'nt help but that was'nt the reason for me...
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Best to enjoy him while he is here, cant see him being here past the summer myself, the lure of Champions League and playing for one of the big Clubs I think will be too much. If and when it does happen you cant really blame him, although I dont like the feller I know he's a player too good for us and that we would never be able to provide him with the platform to match his ambition, nobody should blame Torres either, still dont understand why he gets stick... So are you happy or not to have him here?
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There may have been a few other reasons but they would all have been overlooked if we'd finished higher up in the league. In my opinion of course.
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Best to enjoy him while he is here, cant see him being here past the summer myself, the lure of Champions League and playing for one of the big Clubs I think will be too much. If and when it does happen you cant really blame him, although I dont like the feller I know he's a player too good for us and that we would never be able to provide him with the platform to match his ambition, nobody should blame Torres either, still dont understand why he gets stick... So are you happy or not to have him here? I'm astonished that he got the job considering the names we were linked with - some very well respected names at that. Were FSG going for the cheapest option and getting themselves a 'yes' man? I believe so.
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In a perfect world where the situation is the same - Yes.
But you can't give one manager £150m to invest on their team and implementing their system then bring in a new manager who you know for a fact will need to completely overhaul the team/system at a fraction of that investment and expect the same result, it's just madness CarheeX. It will take time to see the best of Brendan Rodgers and his system, surely other fans can see this? In terms of league position, it'll be at least a season (and two transfer windows) before we can expect and improvement on 8th position, and you know what.. I'd absolutely love to see a turn around in terms of longevity at the club. I hope Rodgers is given the time and a fair chance.
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The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!
I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.
Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.
Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.
When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.
Those players were good enough get us an 8th place finish. If they're that bad then it should be easy for BR to replace them and finish higher up. I haven't seen any sane people saying that 4th is possible or even expected. If you're replacing a manager that got sacked because of his league position then surely the target/expectation is to improve on what cost your predecessor his job, isn't it? he was'nt sacked because of his league position, that was just the reason they used, he was sacked because of a snidey, little cheat who plays for us and a certain racial incident which Dalglish stupidly backed publicaly which exposed the club to shame worldwide, standard charter stepped in and the rest as they say is history, the position of the table did'nt help but that was'nt the reason for me... So why was Roy sacked then? Regarding Suarez, i don't think he is a racist and that's the main thing.
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The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!
I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.
Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.
Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.
When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.
Those players were good enough get us an 8th place finish. If they're that bad then it should be easy for BR to replace them and finish higher up. I haven't seen any sane people saying that 4th is possible or even expected. If you're replacing a manager that got sacked because of his league position then surely the target/expectation is to improve on what cost your predecessor his job, isn't it? he was'nt sacked because of his league position, that was just the reason they used, he was sacked because of a snidey, little cheat who plays for us and a certain racial incident which Dalglish stupidly backed publicaly which exposed the club to shame worldwide, standard charter stepped in and the rest as they say is history, the position of the table did'nt help but that was'nt the reason for me... Evra isn't that bad
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