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Christ just looked at the league table....6 points from relegation zone 15 points from top but a catchable 8 points from 4th

Over the last 6 games, we have the joint 4th best points tally

You have said it yourself before that the majority of that 150mil has been wasted but now you want to use it for your argument?

Agreed - I meant transition in the sense of new manager, a few new players, so there has to be some sort of bedding in period. This is no excuse for current league position though - this idea of a new philosophy is codswallop, pass and move - we been doing it since the 60s.

How come it's only LFC that requires such a longtime for a new manager to settle in? And why do we have to go backwards before seeing any signs of improvement? That just points to bad management.

For weeks I have been saying that a improvement over last year is a minimum that is expected from BR, and to name a few Faz and Maxi have been arguing forcefully that it was too much to ask.

I don't think that BR would keep his job if comes the END of the season we are below 8th and rightfully so, KD was sacked finishing 8th, Rafa 7th, Hoillier 4th, Hodgson was in the 2nd half of the table half way through.

However, I think it will not be easy for BR to finish above 8th from what I have seen so far. With the same number of games KD had 7pts more and even RH had 3 more. Talking is good, particularly to get a job when you don't have enough credentials, but to keep the job you need to show results. So BR, now is the time to step up and show your worth.

I think you've misquoted me there Vish. I have never once said it's too much to ask but I have always said that if I see an improvement over the 2nd half of the season I would be happy. I was asked the other day where I thought we would finish and I gave my answer as between 5th and 8th.

The apparent ignorance of some people on here is absolutely bemusing at times!

I can't tolerate people who's attitudes are 'We're Liverpool FC, we expect top 4 each and every season at least!' - this is just ludicrous, get some bloody perspective and come back to reality.

Look at the situation we're currently in, Liverpool have been in transition for arguably 3 or 4 seasons now and there's been absolutely no continuity or stability.

Currently we've only one striker (this is not Rodgers' fault, there's no way he would have let Andy Carrol leave without assurances that replacements would be brought in - why would he, to make his job more difficult?!) and without goal contribution from other players, we can't take any games as a given 3 points and therefor we can't expect to be too far up the league table come the end of the season.

When Rodgers came to Liverpool, the squad was made up (and still is for the most part) of players like Spearing, Adam, Cole, Downing and Henderson, not exactly a squad overflowing with quality in depth is it? That in mind, Rodgers has had to change the formation of the team and bring in youth players throughout the first eleven at times and as we all know 'you won't win anything with kids' - the team needs time to adjust to the new system, the younger lads need time to settle into playing at premier league standard, none of them have been promoted to the first team because they're ready to play at this standard so they need time and we need to strengthen (especially in attacking options) in January before we consider anything better than an improvement on last season.

On what basis could you possibly expect us to finish any higher than 8th? I think an improvement on last season would be fantastic, we're in no position to expect more than that considering all our current troubles.

Looking at our last 3 premier league results, Newcastle, Everton and Chelsea are all teams that will finish above us this season. 3 points from those games are good results and I feel Brendan Rodgers deserves credit for them.

Sorry for the misunderstanding then.

Vish, Disagree I'm afraid. I don't think BR should be sacked if we finish below 8th.Other factors need to be taken into consideration at the end of the season, e.g. what we did or didn't do in the Jan transfer window.