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Throw Ben Arfa, Ba and Cisse in there for a start anyway as well but I agree that we are currently similar squads but slightly better in our case
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, don't reply if you don't want to hear it! Even in Rafas worst season we are better than this [oops].
And is it any coincidence that all our bright young sparks were Rafa signings that have come good now.
Don't post even ur gonna be bashing our coach.
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some great posts Faz and probably not too far off your assesment on the squads. I think you are being a little harsh on the Liverpool squad though. Suarez, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sktrtel, Allen, Gerrard, Sahin and maybe Reina are still far better than what either Everton or Newcastle has. Only Felliani, Baines, Toite and Cabaye stand out as players you would really like.
The problem as pointed out is the gap then to our young players who are very talented but woefully inexperienced. 6th best squad is about right. Doen't mean you are wrong as only at the end of the season we will find out. Player quality is far too objective and there are too many variables to say who has the best squad. The manager must also be classed as part of the squad. So the only fair way to is look at the league table - we currently have the 12th best squad in the premier league. There is no other way to assess it (unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists who think it is only the refs who are preventing us from topping the table!!!)
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some great posts Faz and probably not too far off your assesment on the squads. I think you are being a little harsh on the Liverpool squad though. Suarez, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sktrtel, Allen, Gerrard, Sahin and maybe Reina are still far better than what either Everton or Newcastle has. Only Felliani, Baines, Toite and Cabaye stand out as players you would really like.
The problem as pointed out is the gap then to our young players who are very talented but woefully inexperienced. 6th best squad is about right. Doen't mean you are wrong as only at the end of the season we will find out. Player quality is far too objective and there are too many variables to say who has the best squad. The manager must also be classed as part of the squad. So the only fair way to is look at the league table - we currently have the 12th best squad in the premier league. There is no other way to assess it (unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists who think it is only the refs who are preventing us from topping the table!!!) i would like to think we all agree that 10games is no time to be assessing the squad or manager. I like what we are trying to do and as mentioned by many without significant investment you cannot just jump 3/4 places in one season - effectively finding 15-20points. last nights footy did show that that a sound youth policy and football philosophy enables a team to compete without spending 100s millions - dortmund, Schalke and Ajax being the examples
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Liverpool Legend
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some great posts Faz and probably not too far off your assesment on the squads. I think you are being a little harsh on the Liverpool squad though. Suarez, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Sktrtel, Allen, Gerrard, Sahin and maybe Reina are still far better than what either Everton or Newcastle has. Only Felliani, Baines, Toite and Cabaye stand out as players you would really like.
The problem as pointed out is the gap then to our young players who are very talented but woefully inexperienced. 6th best squad is about right. Doen't mean you are wrong as only at the end of the season we will find out. Player quality is far too objective and there are too many variables to say who has the best squad. The manager must also be classed as part of the squad. So the only fair way to is look at the league table - we currently have the 12th best squad in the premier league. There is no other way to assess it (unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists who think it is only the refs who are preventing us from topping the table!!!) Sorry mate, don't agree with you on this. The squad is the players while the manager is here to get the best of that squad, else any squad would have the same results no matter who is managing it. Some managers overacheive, some under, this is how you would judge if you have a good or bad manager. We are in 12th position yes, not sure we have the 12th squad in terms of quality, but this is subjective, ie, my opinion.
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I'm just saying that as a club, if you are evaluating where we stand then the manager must be included. Having a world class squad means nothing if mick mccarthy is in charge of it. I'd get no joy of having the 'best squad' if we were in the bottom half - the talent/potential of the squad is down to the manager's coaching so why shouldn't he be classified as part of it?
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Liverpool Legend
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I'm just saying that as a club, if you are evaluating where we stand then the manager must be included. Having a world class squad means nothing if mick mccarthy is in charge of it. I'd get no joy of having the 'best squad' if we were in the bottom half - the talent/potential of the squad is down to the manager's coaching so why shouldn't he be classified as part of it? Because the manager is not playing, but is there to get the squad to play the best football. But of course he is part of the club, not the playing squad.
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I'm just saying that as a club, if you are evaluating where we stand then the manager must be included. Having a world class squad means nothing if mick mccarthy is in charge of it. I'd get no joy of having the 'best squad' if we were in the bottom half - the talent/potential of the squad is down to the manager's coaching so why shouldn't he be classified as part of it? racist!
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I'm not even sure what 'race' mccarthy is! He looks like some kind of creature made by breeding the muppets with the planet of the apes.
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haha! he has a voice so irritating that would probably travel many light years into space, i am sure eventually an alien civilisation could listen to him
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