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13/08/2011 Sunderland 1-1
20/08/2011 Arsenal 2-0
27/08/2011 Bolton Wanderers 3-1
10/09/2011 Stoke City 0-1
18/09/2011 Tottenham Hotspur 0-4
24/09/2011 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 01/10/2011 Everton 2-0
15/10/2011 Manchester United 1-1
22/10/2011 Norwich City 1-1
29/10/2011 West Bromwich Albion 2-0
05/11/2011 Swansea City 0-0
These are our results from last year to the same point where we seemed to be concede a fair few goals as well and I don't think we played as good teams last year as we have this year
We are currently unbeaten in 5 league games which shows definite progression and should have gotten 3 points against Everton. So last year we had conceeded 9 goals (4 in the Spurs game when we had 2 sent off if i remember, cheeky but factual nevertheless), how many have we conceeded so far this season?
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It was 10 by the way. We have conceded 15 so far this season but the first 10 came in the opening 5 games.
Possibly a better stat is to look at the final 10 games of last season where we conceded 14 goals against QPR, Wigan, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn, WBA, Norwich, Fulham, Chelsea and Swansea
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It was 10 by the way. We have conceded 15 so far this season but the first 10 came in the opening 5 games.
Possibly a better stat is to look at the final 10 games of last season where we conceded 14 goals against QPR, Wigan, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn, WBA, Norwich, Fulham, Chelsea and Swansea So if you take 2 out of the Spurs game (2 defenders were sent off) if you allow me, it means 8 compared to 15. I would not use our stats after the Arsenal home game of last season as we gave up the league to concentrate on the cups. In anycase, i do not consider these post exchanges a competition of who knows better between us, it looks like for some reason you believe completely in BR and I don't so far. One question though, when BR was appointed, is this what you expected, has he delivered according to your expectations? Sincerely, i was really afraid that something like this would happen, basically because he was unproven to me. I don't have anything against him.
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It was 10 by the way. We have conceded 15 so far this season but the first 10 came in the opening 5 games.
Possibly a better stat is to look at the final 10 games of last season where we conceded 14 goals against QPR, Wigan, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn, WBA, Norwich, Fulham, Chelsea and Swansea So if you take 2 out of the Spurs game (2 defenders were sent off) if you allow me, it means 8 compared to 15. I would not use our stats after the Arsenal home game of last season as we gave up the league to concentrate on the cups. In anycase, i do not consider these post exchanges a competition of who knows better between us, it looks like for some reason you believe completely in BR and I don't so far. One question though, when BR was appointed, is this what you expected, has he delivered according to your expectations? Sincerely, i was really afraid that something like this would happen, basically because he was unproven to me. I don't have anything against him. GREAT POST. agree. I seem baffled how he spent 10 mill on borini when we could have spent that a bit wiser. Plus im hearing we are paying 5 mill for the sahin loan. YES LOAN !
Read between my lines.
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You can't take away goals though because you could say the same thing about the United game or if Sktrel hadn't given away the goal against City.
I genuinely thought that the opening 5 games would be difficult. I was hoping for possibly 5 or 6 points but we didn't get the breaks in 3 of the games.
Since then we have been unbeaten in the league and should have 3wins and 2draws in that time. We beat Norwich and Reading who we should expect to beat. We drew with stoke who for some unknown reason have stumped all our managers since they came to the Premiership. We drew with both Everton and Newcastle where we should have gotten all 3 points against Everton.
I probably would have aimed for 11 points out of these 5 games going undefeated
We are currently on 11 points where I would have hoped for possibly 16/17 but I can genuinely see an improvement. So in saying that I guess he hasn't delivered fully but taking the 2 points dropped against Everton, he hasn't done too badly by my estimation.
We play Chelsea, Wigan, Swansea, Tottenham and Southampton in the next 5 games. I would hope to get 10 points in that time
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You can't take away goals though because you could say the same thing about the United game or if Sktrel hadn't given away the goal against City.
I genuinely thought that the opening 5 games would be difficult. I was hoping for possibly 5 or 6 points but we didn't get the breaks in 3 of the games.
Since then we have been unbeaten in the league and should have 3wins and 2draws in that time. We beat Norwich and Reading who we should expect to beat. We drew with stoke who for some unknown reason have stumped all our managers since they came to the Premiership. We drew with both Everton and Newcastle where we should have gotten all 3 points against Everton.
I probably would have aimed for 11 points out of these 5 games going undefeated
We are currently on 11 points where I would have hoped for possibly 16/17 but I can genuinely see an improvement. So in saying that I guess he hasn't delivered fully but taking the 2 points dropped against Everton, he hasn't done too badly by my estimation.
We play Chelsea, Wigan, Swansea, Tottenham and Southampton in the next 5 games. I would hope to get 10 points in that time So Skrtl doing a back pass because he is supposed to play pass the ball instead of hoofing as you call it is the same as losing 2 defenders in the same game and playing with 9 men. Anyway, i asked if you would allow me but you didn't and i would compare 10 against 15, no problem. If we do get 10 pts or more in our next 5 games, i would agree with you that we are progressing, done, but let's agree we won't look for excuses, ie, they or we get the benefit of bad decisions, players out, unfit, missed chances etc.
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How can you compare this and last season for your realistic appraisal of BR.? You're assuming all us equal with us and the other teams in the league. And how much was spent last summer compared to this? How big was our squad then compared to now?
I know what you're saying but for me it's an unfair comparison when teams have strengthened and we haven't down to the owners (and Rodgers to he fair - Borini).
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It was 10 by the way. We have conceded 15 so far this season but the first 10 came in the opening 5 games.
Possibly a better stat is to look at the final 10 games of last season where we conceded 14 goals against QPR, Wigan, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn, WBA, Norwich, Fulham, Chelsea and Swansea So if you take 2 out of the Spurs game (2 defenders were sent off) if you allow me, it means 8 compared to 15. I would not use our stats after the Arsenal home game of last season as we gave up the league to concentrate on the cups. In anycase, i do not consider these post exchanges a competition of who knows better between us, it looks like for some reason you believe completely in BR and I don't so far. One question though, when BR was appointed, is this what you expected, has he delivered according to your expectations? Sincerely, i was really afraid that something like this would happen, basically because he was unproven to me. I don't have anything against him. GREAT POST. agree. I seem baffled how he spent 10 mill on borini when we could have spent that a bit wiser. Plus im hearing we are paying 5 mill for the sahin loan. YES LOAN ! I thought it was about £4m but I see where you're coming from. Being the shrewd opeartors that LFC have always shown to be, do you think we're getting a similar figure from west ham for the andy carroll loan.....?
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And I think a new striker that can actually score goals will transform us. It will free up Suarez as others have said and will also mean we might score some of those 20 odd chances we keep creating in games. That wi also take pressure off the defence as they won't be so scared of letting in goals knowing we won't score.
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It was 10 by the way. We have conceded 15 so far this season but the first 10 came in the opening 5 games.
Possibly a better stat is to look at the final 10 games of last season where we conceded 14 goals against QPR, Wigan, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn, WBA, Norwich, Fulham, Chelsea and Swansea So if you take 2 out of the Spurs game (2 defenders were sent off) if you allow me, it means 8 compared to 15. I would not use our stats after the Arsenal home game of last season as we gave up the league to concentrate on the cups. In anycase, i do not consider these post exchanges a competition of who knows better between us, it looks like for some reason you believe completely in BR and I don't so far. One question though, when BR was appointed, is this what you expected, has he delivered according to your expectations? Sincerely, i was really afraid that something like this would happen, basically because he was unproven to me. I don't have anything against him. GREAT POST. agree. I seem baffled how he spent 10 mill on borini when we could have spent that a bit wiser. Plus im hearing we are paying 5 mill for the sahin loan. YES LOAN ! I thought it was about £4m but I see where you're coming from. Being the shrewd opeartors that LFC have always shown to be, do you think we're getting a similar figure from west ham for the andy carroll loan.....? Probably not. But we might be able to mug them for £15m at the end if it.
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