KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Brendan in, how long...??

He needs to run his contract and given at least 2 years to fix this club, I am not sure about his transfer business side but so far his new system is growing on us nicely, just needs to solve the defensive issues and we should be fine but we need investment and that comes form the owners not him.

I really thought he had solved the defensive problems with the clean sheets, but conceding a 2 goals lead in 25 mins shows he hasn't, it was better only because the teams we played were weaker. In fact we drew against Everton (and should have won) only because Suarez took his chances unlike the start of the season. Hopefully this continues. I would love BR to succeed starting from our next game which we won 3-0 last season (with a clean sheet), I think we are playing at home. Again, though I am not happy with our situation, I would give BR at least up to the end of the season when we should at least finish above 8th to show any improvement.

He's bound to say that though isn't he, as it will keep him longer in his job. A bit like Houllier's never -ending 5yr plan!

He has come in to a big football club that under-performed massively by finishing 8th in the league. Making a few changes here & there doesn't explain sliding down to the bottom half of the table and doing worse than the manager who has just been sacked. Some people seem so gullible that they will believe anything they hear (IF it's what they want to hear). I'm talking about this new 'system/philosophy' - Rodger's isn't reinventing the game....he's simply made a minor tweak or 2 in our build up play. If that needs 2 or 3 years for the players to get used to then we've got far bigger problems than I first thought.

One question though KP - how is wanting what is best for your club, NOT supporting your club?

As far as I can remember we were really pathetic from January and up to the end of last season. Only 5 wins there, beating Wolves away 0-3, Everton home 3-0, Blackburn way 2-3, Norwich away 0-3 and Chelsea home 4-1. In total we got just 18 points over the last 19 PL games of the season.

To suggest that we have fallen compared to that is just madness, as is stating that BR is doing a worse job than KD. What made the club sack Dalglish was definitely more likely the finish of last season, not finishing 8:th itself.

Here are our half term stats from last year in full:

1:st: 19 played, 9 wins, 7 draws, 3 losses, 34 points
2:nd: 19 played, 5 wins, 3 draws, 11 losses, 18 points

Does that not say it all?

Good point van gogh, and while the win tally is not yet good under BR, we are at nine games played and they have lost 'only' three (i think) so he's stemmed the damaged to a certain extent, not forgetting dalglish had a great spending kitty

add on 3 points instead of 1 for man city
and 3 points at everton and maybe 1 instead of a loss vs manchester united, they would be up in 6 or 7th place

Totally agree that KD got sacked because of his 2nd half of last season, but, i am convinced that the players gave up after the Arsenal game when we still had a chance of finishing 4th, had we beaten them at home in a game we dominated completely and should have been 3 up in the first half. RVP had 2 chances (the second one was a blister) which he converted + in the 2nd half we went to 2 cup finals, winning one.

What I find hard to understand though, is why those who have so much faith in BR are not confident to finish the season better than last despite the fact that the 2nd half was abysmal to say the least. If we underperformed last year with a bad manager, a much better manager should be able to easily improve, else, what's the use of changing?

not really,
if you have to rebuild, knowing the money that u mighthave had has gone (thanks to kd & commoli) then expect slow progress

kd had it easy, hodgson was hated,as soon as RH went results picked up (probably regardless of manager)AND kd was given a war chest; kd blew it set us back 3 years in the end

KD finished 8th, went to 2 finals winning one, with the dross he bought. He came in when we were in [oops] and did not have to wait for 3 months to start performing (else we might have gone down) with all the same players he inherited (after losing our then best striker, Torres). It looks like unlike KD, BR needs his own players to perform and needs a lot of time for them to understand his system, more than KD, Steeve C, even Brian L. He must be very special.

Do you consider last season a success?

I don't and more importantly neither does JH.