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overperformed is an understatement. Mostly due to Benitez' tactics
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Let's meet in the middle then. He had a 'reasonable' squad? It still takes a genius of a manager to win the CL with only a reasonable squad, beating the likes of monaco, leverkusen, chelsea & juventus along the way. Don't forget, we had a long season with a small squad and had to enter the CL via a qualifying phase first. Plus in the final we came from 3 down to beat Milan against massive odds. Milan had beaten barcelona, inter, man utd...along the way. What benitez did was nothing short of astonishing! Many regard shankly as our greatest manager ever - how many european cups did he win?
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Let's meet in the middle then. He had a 'reasonable' squad? It still takes a genius of a manager to win the CL with only a reasonable squad, beating the likes of monaco, leverkusen, chelsea & juventus along the way. Don't forget, we had a long season with a small squad and had to enter the CL via a qualifying phase first. Plus in the final we came from 3 down to beat Milan against massive odds. Milan had beaten barcelona, inter, man utd...along the way. What benitez did was nothing short of astonishing! Many regard shankly as our greatest manager ever - how many european cups did he win? He also got us to the League Cup final that season aswell, where we lost in extra time to Chelsea after leading for virtually the whole game. That cup final appearance is nearly always forgotten.
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'Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?'
'If there is hope, it lies in the proles'
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Yeah, because it's the 'league cup' and no one gives a toss about it.
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Let's meet in the middle then. He had a 'reasonable' squad? It still takes a genius of a manager to win the CL with only a reasonable squad, beating the likes of monaco, leverkusen, chelsea & juventus along the way. Don't forget, we had a long season with a small squad and had to enter the CL via a qualifying phase first. Plus in the final we came from 3 down to beat Milan against massive odds. Milan had beaten barcelona, inter, man utd...along the way. What benitez did was nothing short of astonishing! Many regard shankly as our greatest manager ever - how many european cups did he win? He also got us to the League Cup final that season aswell, where we lost in extra time to Chelsea after leading for virtually the whole game. That cup final appearance is nearly always forgotten. that the one where Mourinho danced down the sideline?
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Let's meet in the middle then. He had a 'reasonable' squad? It still takes a genius of a manager to win the CL with only a reasonable squad, beating the likes of monaco, leverkusen, chelsea & juventus along the way. Don't forget, we had a long season with a small squad and had to enter the CL via a qualifying phase first. Plus in the final we came from 3 down to beat Milan against massive odds. Milan had beaten barcelona, inter, man utd...along the way. What benitez did was nothing short of astonishing! Many regard shankly as our greatest manager ever - how many european cups did he win? Ok reasonable squad then
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Do you not give Benitez much credit for that?
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Yeah, because it's the 'league cup' and no one gives a toss about it. Well that's not true anyway.
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I put dalglish in there mainly on his playier manager , on managing alone i wouldnt put him on the same level as shankley or paisley (and i think benitez is a better manager even though I wouldnt like to see him back at the club) but in terms of his persona and the reverence given to him, he's still one above benitez as a club 'legend'but its true i hesitated to put him on the basis of his managing career which is a trifle checkered , He had the boot room behind him when he started managing. no one can say he is a legend on his managing alone though.
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Are you havin' a laugh!? Last year when we on it kenny said that other teams don't rate it and play weakened sides. Even small premier league clubs and championship sides don't rate it - did you see some of the lineups last night and some playing tonight?! Nothing like full strength.
Why are you even talking about a carling cup defeat in a season where we won, and kept, the champions league trophy?
The capital one cup is a joke of a trophy. It brings no prestige, other clubs aren't remotely jealous of the winners, and it cost more to take part than you get it you win it!
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