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Houllier is a legend for winning us the treble, Rafa is a legend for winning us the Champions League and ultimately kept the European Cup at Anfield. In reality neither of them are legends to me, Rush, Dalglish, Shanks, Bob etc. are what go down as legends in my book.
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He also played a big part in developing Carragher, Gerrard and Owen.
Not to mention he signed Didi Hamann and Sami Hyypia who turned into inspired signings and club 'legends' in my opinion. I still think Hyypia is one the Premierships's best ever transfers!
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I agree about shankly and paisley. Shankly built something, Paisley improved it and set new standards. Dalglish on the other hand.......he simply had the best club in the world handed to him on a plate so I wouldn't class his managerial reign as legendary. I'd rate Benitez far higher - he inherited an abysmal squad (that got houllier the sack) and turned them into champions of europe winning us the biggest prize of all for the first time in over 20 years.
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I agree about shankly and paisley. Shankly built something, Paisley improved it and set new standards. Dalglish on the other hand.......he simply had the best club in the world handed to him on a plate so I wouldn't class his managerial reign as legendary. I'd rate Benitez far higher - he inherited an abysmal squad (that got houllier the sack) and turned them into champions of europe winning us the biggest prize of all for the first time in over 20 years. Benitez inherited an abysmal squad 90% of which won him the Champions league, funny enough. Don't tell me only tactics make you win trophies, you need to have a good squad, may be not the best when you are a good manager, nevertheless a good squad, not abysmal. Of course you can have a few very bad players but the overall squad should be good enough, else you don't win the Champions league.
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
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Traore, Baros and Kewell started and our bench had Josemi, Igor Biscan and Antonio Nunez on it. We were a very poor squad and needed Benitez's tactics to get us to the final by being extremely hard to beat.
We had standout players like Carra, Hypia, Alonso Gerrard and Luis Garcia as well as Hamann on the bench but overall we were poor
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I agree about shankly and paisley. Shankly built something, Paisley improved it and set new standards. Dalglish on the other hand.......he simply had the best club in the world handed to him on a plate so I wouldn't class his managerial reign as legendary. I'd rate Benitez far higher - he inherited an abysmal squad (that got houllier the sack) and turned them into champions of europe winning us the biggest prize of all for the first time in over 20 years. Benitez inherited an abysmal squad 90% of which won him the Champions league, funny enough. Don't tell me only tactics make you win trophies, you need to have a good squad, may be not the best when you are a good manager, nevertheless a good squad, not abysmal. Of course you can have a few very bad players but the overall squad should be good enough, else you don't win the Champions league. If the players were as good as you say, how come they got houllier the sack?
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league.
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Cisse and Kewell never really replicated any form that they had at previous clubs and didn't add a huge amount to it. Baros performed at international level but I think he worked best off of a big man and had one of the best in Jan Koller. We in theory didn't have a Champions League winning team but it was the tactics that got us over that
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I disagree. Benitez performed a h-u-m-u-n-g-o-u-s miracle when he turned the following 'players' into champions league winners:
smicer
cisse
carson
kewell
traore
baros.....
Then he was a magician, but unfortunately, a one time magician. By the way Smicer and Barros were full time internationals in a very good Chekoslovakian team, Cisse was a substitute (even if he was the best striker in the French league for 3 seasons before his long term injury), Kewell was one of the best left wingers when he was playing for leeds and was also substituted in the first half, Traore I agree and sorry I don't remember Carson. Also in the squad there were Sami H, Henchoz, Gerrard, Hamann, Riise, Dudek. Not the best squad I agree but far from Abysmal. You can win one match as a miracle with an Abysmal team, but not the Champions league. Cisse and Kewell never really replicated any form that they had at previous clubs and didn't add a huge amount to it. Baros performed at international level but I think he worked best off of a big man and had one of the best in Jan Koller. We in theory didn't have a Champions League winning team but it was the tactics that got us over that I agree with you that the team overperformed be not abysmal.
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