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And for the record I agree with a lot of what Kopprophet and Vexed are saying in that using a certain word in the heat of the moment doesn't necessarily make a person racist. However, it still doesn't meant that the use of the word is acceptable or should become acceptable.
I also agree that the media use anything controversial or sensational to sell newspapers, however, regardless of how they portray things surely society shouldn't accept any of the recent behaviour by players, fans etc as appropriate or acceptable either.
My main issue in this thread has been the crazy notion that Racism doesn't exist in football or seemingly todays society. It was me that mentioned that (4:50pm), but don't worry about it. Well done, you found one point that we agree on. However, you seem to miss the rest of the points that i made which totally oppose what you have said. Each to their own, probably best we leave it there.
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Just seen someone speaking on sky sports new from the society of black lawyers...seems a bit hypocritical that a society that only allows members based on the colour of their skin (and obviously the fact that they're lawyers :P ) can come out and speak out against racism. if there was a society for white lawyers it'd get ripped to shreds for being racist.
But on another point, I dont think racism will ever be completely removed from football until its removed from society as a whole. This isnt something the FA or Fifa can control, its bigger than football
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I think the issue is what racisim is, it constantly evolves. There is far more direct racisim against white people these days who are instituitionally excluded. As the poster above has indicated the association of white lawyers would not be allowed to exist. But not only the the association of black lawyers exist but it largely dictates its own terms. Really not unlike 1960's South Africa in principle.
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These groups that are specifically for one colour aren't trying to gain equality - they want reversal, or revenge if you like. What they are doing is turning things around so that there are institutions/organisations/clubs for blacks only, much like there used to be for the white population before we became a bit more civilised. Their actions will solve sod all and will make the situation a lot LOT worse.
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I think the issue is what racisim is, it constantly evolves. There is far more direct racisim against white people these days who are instituitionally excluded. As the poster above has indicated the association of white lawyers would not be allowed to exist. But not only the the association of black lawyers exist but it largely dictates its own terms. Really not unlike 1960's South Africa in principle. no way, not even near the principle. you can justify associations of minorities.Personally I don't think its a great idea but to equate that to apartheid just doesn't wash. A lot of this talk of reverse racism and whites being the victims edges closer to the Far -Right politics that sadly is taking a foothold in Europe again. Scare tactics, the US civil society has a far better outlook even with a slave history, Europe has a dark xenophobia just below the surface.
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I think the issue is what racisim is, it constantly evolves. There is far more direct racisim against white people these days who are instituitionally excluded. As the poster above has indicated the association of white lawyers would not be allowed to exist. But not only the the association of black lawyers exist but it largely dictates its own terms. Really not unlike 1960's South Africa in principle. no way, not even near the principle. you can justify associations of minorities.Personally I don't think its a great idea but to equate that to apartheid just doesn't wash. A lot of this talk of reverse racism and whites being the victims edges closer to the Far -Right politics that sadly is taking a foothold in Europe again. Scare tactics, the US civil society has a far better outlook even with a slave history, Europe has a dark xenophobia just below the surface. What baloney.
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you think there is no xenophobia in the states? They prepare their defences from possible al quaeda attacks in remote farmlands over there. they distrust anything to do with government.
The reason why there is more talk of anti white racism in europe is because tolerance has been pushed to its limits.
I would be interested to know how many people who are the most vocal in support of 'pro black issues' are people who have not actually lived in areas where whites are the minority
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you don't think so..just u wait..have a look at the gains the far right have made in europe, in france, facists in greece are near civil war , italy is riddled. europe gets in trouble and its bad news for minorities.
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Like the facists that hate the Jews Emp?
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