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But homophobic abuse is as bad as racist abuse I thought? Not saying that what you said was homophobic, more just in the general sense of things there shouldn't be a difference
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See emp you have just made a pretty large fundamental attribution error, its just not true in my local pool there are lots of black swimmers, the point was about do black enjoy swimming,
and you are using a stereo type to suggest they dont
This bone density argument which seems to have a lot of support, is about sports performance. The problem with statements made by yourself and Bar is this is a justification for excluding people who dont fit our perceptions of what is correct and orderly.
There are gay footballers there are even gay rugby players, its clear why they dont come out its a macho sport , it would be risking career suicide
The irony is that your statements (repeated ones i might add) suggest that you hold yourself bigoted opinions..
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and i said i agree with you, so i don't see the problem.
did I say I hate gays? no ..I just gave an opinion based on my personal experience..If someone thinks thats ignorant then fine maybe it is, maybe loads of gays like football and I am wrong. Is saying women are not really into cage fighting abusive to women?
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carheexes personal experience is that he may find being called a cu** more offensive than monkey chants...
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See emp you have just made a pretty large fundamental attribution error, its just not true in my local pool there are lots of black swimmers, the point was about do black enjoy swimming,
and you are using a stereo type to suggest they dont
This bone density argument which seems to have a lot of support, is about sports performance. The problem with statements made by yourself and Bar is this is a justification for excluding people who dont fit our perceptions of what is correct and orderly.
There are gay footballers there are even gay rugby players, its clear why they dont come out its a macho sport , it would be risking career suicide
The irony is that your statements (repeated ones i might add) suggest that you hold yourself bigoted opinions.. well i really don't know enough about black people enjoying swimming to talk about it...maybe i will do a survey one day but its not high on my list
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and i said i agree with you, so i don't see the problem.
did I say I hate gays? no ..I just gave an opinion based on my personal experience..If someone thinks thats ignorant then fine maybe it is, maybe loads of gays like football and I am wrong. Is saying women are not really into cage fighting abusive to women? carheexes personal experience is that he may find being called a cu** more offensive than monkey chants... Toothy has kinda hit the nail on the head in that one person's view of whats offensive is different to another's and people could be offended by both statements
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yes i am sure getting personal abuse is a rather offensive but its is not classed the same as rascist abuse for obvious reasons.
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I don't think what Bar said is homophobic or wrong. He said that his experience with gay men has led him to believe that they aren't necessarily into the same things as other men, i.e. women and football. I find this to be true as well. My roommate was gay, and he didn't understand my love of the game. That said, I have a gay friend who's a big West Ham fan. Fewer women are football fans then men, but they're still out there (thus we have lain here on the forum, though she's the only one). Fewer gay men are football fans as well. But there can still be gay football fans and gay footballers. Not a big deal.
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yes i am sure getting personal abuse is a rather offensive but its is not classed the same as rascist abuse for obvious reasons. Personal abuse based on sexual orientation is as bad as racist abuse though. I thought you had agreed on that?
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yes about the same level both lead to discrimination or in the extreme extermination.
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