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I'm of a similar mindset. I agree with the majority of that. I'd probably have a bit more confidence in Rodgers though - although I haven't watched any of 'Being Liverpool' yet, and I've seen a few people give BR a bit of stick on the back of that because of some of the comments he's been coming out with.

I think if Brendan Rodgers is backed, he can do a great job at LFC. He hasn't been backed so far, so January is going to be a massive window not just for him, but for FSG aswell. There's gonna be MASSIVE pressure put on FSG from the fans if they don't back him, and I think they'll know that full well, so I expect them to act and give the manager at least £15m to sign a centre forward. They can't afford NOT to, to be fair.

I've made no secret of the fact that I'd love to see Rafa return as manager some day. I wanted him back in the summer - I thought it was a no-brainer - although there was one major factor against it in my mind - Steven Gerrard.

If things don't work out long term with Rodgers, then I'd love to see Rafa back, but I don't think that should happen until A) Steven Gerrard retires from playing and B) Brendan Rodgers is given a decent amount of time to have a proper go at turning the club around.

Some people are far too quick to forget what Rafa did for this club, it never fails to astound me. In some people's minds, he only existed in his final season at the club where the strain of his war with the owners finally took it's toll.


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Except for part of the 'Benitez' bit, I agree totally with what you said. We were no longer progressing in our last 2 seasons under him and I felt that he had run out of ideas, ie, he had already tried everything.

I thought that it could be because of what was happening with regards to H&G, but, when I saw his performance at Inter, i felt he had lost his touch, or maybe, JoseM was one level above.

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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Except for part of the 'Benitez' bit, I agree totally with what you said. We were no longer progressing in our last 2 seasons under him and I felt that he had run out of ideas, ie, he had already tried everything.

I thought that it could be because of what was happening with regards to H&G, but, when I saw his performance at Inter, i felt he had lost his touch, or maybe, JoseM was one level above.

I think you mean "last season" not, "last 2 seasons", vish. In his second last season we finished 2nd wink If that wasn't progress, I dunno what was!


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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Except for part of the 'Benitez' bit, I agree totally with what you said. We were no longer progressing in our last 2 seasons under him and I felt that he had run out of ideas, ie, he had already tried everything.

I thought that it could be because of what was happening with regards to H&G, but, when I saw his performance at Inter, i felt he had lost his touch, or maybe, JoseM was one level above.

I think you mean "last season" not, "last 2 seasons", vish. In his second last season we finished 2nd wink If that wasn't progress, I dunno what was!


Wasn't it in his 4th season that we came second and then we dropped from there, not qualifying for the Champions league in his last season? I might be mistaken, and if is the case, then I would agree, any manager can have one bad season.

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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Except for part of the 'Benitez' bit, I agree totally with what you said. We were no longer progressing in our last 2 seasons under him and I felt that he had run out of ideas, ie, he had already tried everything.



Erm... in rafa's 2nd last season with us, we were leading the league for a good part of the season and finished 2nd because of an extraordinary season by the scum. Ran out of ideas and no longer progressing? I disagree big time.

The following season, because our club is going nowhere in terms of player investment due to our perpetual debt, we started losing key players like masch and xabi. There's only so much a manager can hang on to success when he has to wheel and deal all the time. As much as people like to criticise rafa for our decline, I'd like to ask for some perspective and to be fair to him at the same time.

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Anyone who slates Rafa should read Epic Swindle if they haven't already and then they will have an idea of the conditions he worked under. It will shock you.

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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Except for part of the 'Benitez' bit, I agree totally with what you said. We were no longer progressing in our last 2 seasons under him and I felt that he had run out of ideas, ie, he had already tried everything.

I thought that it could be because of what was happening with regards to H&G, but, when I saw his performance at Inter, i felt he had lost his touch, or maybe, JoseM was one level above.

I think you mean "last season" not, "last 2 seasons", vish. In his second last season we finished 2nd wink If that wasn't progress, I dunno what was!


Wasn't it in his 4th season that we came second and then we dropped from there, not qualifying for the Champions league in his last season? I might be mistaken, and if is the case, then I would agree, any manager can have one bad season.

Naw mate, it was just his last season that we dropped from 2nd (the previous year) to I think 7th.


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Anyone who slates Rafa should read Epic Swindle if they haven't already and then they will have an idea of the conditions he worked under. It will shock you.


Wonder if Faz or EMP have read the book.

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Anyone who slates Rafa should read Epic Swindle if they haven't already and then they will have an idea of the conditions he worked under. It will shock you.


Wonder if Faz or EMP have read the book.

I know at least one of them is not a fan of Brian Reade, I remember of them saying something negative about them, but I can't remember what their reasons were for disliking him.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant one of Faz/Stanley

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Originally Posted By: Dunk
Anyone who slates Rafa should read Epic Swindle if they haven't already and then they will have an idea of the conditions he worked under. It will shock you.


is there a book about inter too? or maybe a book about not being able to get any other managerial jobs? it just doesnt add up for me dunk. i agree that under raffa we felt like a big club for a while, but there were clear and present decisions that he made that really screwed up lfc. he is not solely to blame, but he contributed. his belief is bigger than his ability.

mostly, he needs to let it go.


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