KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum MacKenzie confronted on his own doorstep

i agree with stan about the FA issue. and he's an asshole, but that reporter was just plain stupid. not letting him close the door of his car etc etc.
ofc he's gonna talk about it next week, after preparing a speech etc, he would never answer like that without having sth prepared.
he won't hold a Q&A session either when he gives his explanation.

i don't even understand why all the fuss about him saying stuff on the subject... what he did was disgraceful, but all he's gonna say will be to 'save' the dignity he has left, it's gonna be total [oops]. what's the point ?

more FA threads (but i insist not throwing rocks at the current FA just for the sake of it)
the people in charge at the time are at fault, not the fa as institution.

Without doubt. And you are right there are many who committed suicide after the disaster these people are largely forgotten. There was a chap interviewed on BBC north west just at random on the street after the verdict and he said his brother committed suicide a year after hillsborough. To stress again this was a random street interview in LIverpool.

its true mate sadly .

you can't blame it on the sun i think.
the sight of death, the experience of the ppl there...
i mean, someone like you stan who (i think, im not sure) was at the game, but not in the stand where it happend, must have felt sick.

so if you're actually in the box that day.. scared to death, see dead people you know,... etc.
i dont think what some [oops] up paper writes is what's messing with your morale.
the event in itself was dramatic.

look mate maybe you dont get it what mac kenzie wrote and if you didnt i suspect you learn fast , because these dirty lies have tranished every single person from liverpool/merseyside for 23 years as thieves and being a self pity city which it is not , and i just doint mean liverpool f.c. i mean the city of liverpool including everton f.c. , mackenzie is the most evil hate filled man ever for 23 years on question time or newsnight has said those things in this evil story was true , when it was never true but the damage he did might never be fixed .

i know what he said
i'm not saying it had no impact, ofcourse it had.
i'm just saying what happend at hillsborough is the reason the guy stan talked about commited suicide.
ofc i haven't watched it etc, but when i think about it, it makes more sense the event messed everyone up.

so basically: mckenzie isn't responsible for what happend that day, he's responsible for his journal full of [oops].
he played no part in the 96 death's, he [oops] the survivors and the people of liverpool.
but how i see it, true justice for the 96 will not come by holding a crusade against an attention seeking whore.
it will partially , but that's not the most important part.
the reason why they died is they key part. mckenzie had no play in that.

just my 2 cents, dont shoot me down plz

+1. ites, do you know much about the whole Hillsborough incident and the history of the aftermath??

i don't know if i know 'much', but ye i've read and watched quite some stuff.
but that's not even the point i believe. even if i didnt know anything about it, i am just saying that mckenzie didn't literally kill the 96. he disgraced them. disgraced everyone, yes.
but if they'd stayed alive, nothing would have happend.
that's the only thing i mean, he's not responsible for the dead. he's responsible for something else, and i just think the most important part in all of this is the dead.

thats why , dont shoot me down im not saying its not important and should be ignored.. just my opinion it's not the key part.

Screw the Sun and their sensationalist garbage "journalists and editors."
Having said that, I don't think there's a valid case for charging them with anything criminal, since they can always defend themselves with using police statements as sources.

I think the best we can hope for is that someone like MacKenzie, who will go to every conceivable length to further himself, will find his career in shambles and having fewer and fewer friends. It's not enough for all the pain he's inflicted on people, but at least it's something.

I can see what ites is saying and I can see (and agree) with the villification of mackenzie. But for me though the primary blame is the FA and SYP in that order. I would have rather that reporter doorstopped Graham Kelly and the other members of the FA board at that time who seems to be getting off scot free at the moment. I can't help feeling it makes better television to doorstep macxkenzie because he is a media celebrity. You could argue mackenzie caused some of the later suicides I don't know but I suspect most were caused by the events of the day (and lets not forget there were a few SY police in those suicides who were ordinary bobbies (also victims) which takes us back to SYP and the FA who set the whole thing up. Looking forward to seeing channel 4 have a word with them.