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You compared him to Charlie Adam playing for us. Says a lot really.
And it's not like we've always had average players, Machetano, Alonso and Torres were great players along side Agger, Hypia, Benayoun and Kuyt who were also very good, he was still a stand out player. And when he made it to the CL final TWICE, he obviously wasn't playing alongside average players and was the star. if you read the post properly you will see I used Charlie Adam as an example of how a player always looks better than whats around him and will always look better than he actualy is. You cant seriously be putting players like Benayoune, Torres, Agger and Kuyt alongside players like Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Ray Kennedy, Case, Dalglish and Rushie are you because there was no way Gerrard if he played in that team would shine as brightly as he does alongside those players you just said. That's your opinion. How would you explain though that Gerrard won the best player in the Champions league, 3rd best player for the Ballon D'Or, in the FIFA best 11 for a number of years and great managers like Mourinho desperate to sign him (and not once). But of course you know best. did'nt they give that Ballon D'Or to a certain Michael Owen just because he scored three goals against Germany and also a load of goals in the second tier UEFA Cup, I think Morinho also signed those other world class players Mateja Kezman,Paulo Ferreira, Tal Ben Haim and Belletti. None of the players you mentionned were consistently in FIFA best 11 and Mourinho was not that desperate to sign any of them. Some players are signed to be squad players only, hence the price, so being selective in analysis doesn't mean much. But as I said, it's your opinion, doesn't look like its anywhere near majority when I read the posts here or even when fans voted for the best LFC player ever. That says a lot about your football knowledge.
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if you read the post properly you will see I used Charlie Adam as an example of how a player always looks better than whats around him and will always look better than he actualy is. You cant seriously be putting players like Benayoune, Torres, Agger and Kuyt alongside players like Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Ray Kennedy, Case, Dalglish and Rushie are you because there was no way Gerrard if he played in that team would shine as brightly as he does alongside those players you just said. [/quote]
That's your opinion. How would you explain though that Gerrard won the best player in the Champions league, 3rd best player for the Ballon D'Or, in the FIFA best 11 for a number of years and great managers like Mourinho desperate to sign him (and not once). But of course you know best. [/quote]did'nt they give that Ballon D'Or to a certain Michael Owen just because he scored three goals against Germany and also a load of goals in the second tier UEFA Cup, I think Morinho also signed those other world class players Mateja Kezman,Paulo Ferreira, Tal Ben Haim and Belletti. [/quote]
None of the players you mentionned were consistently in FIFA best 11 and Mourinho was not that desperate to sign any of them. Some players are signed to be squad players only, hence the price, so being selective in analysis doesn't mean much. But as I said, it's your opinion, doesn't look like its anywhere near majority when I read the posts here or even when fans voted for the best LFC player ever. That says a lot about your football knowledge. [/quote]
oh I see, so you base your opinion on the majority then, if the majority says it's rite then it must be, I will now like everyone else judge all your future opinions on your logic of the majority is always right.
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Twisting people words again?
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Twisting people words again? read what was written, he used the majority word to back up his opinion not me.
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There are plenty of legends but I started watchin gootie around 1992 so for me the best player of my generation is in my opinion Robbie Fowler. His exploits on the field excited me so much, he was a goal machine. If he had kept himself fit and maybe led a bit more of a professional lifestyle in his mid twenties I think he would of been our all time leading scorer by now. I agree. I have never been so excited to watch a game that he played in. At 13 I cried when he left for Leeds. I cried with joy when he came back. I was as pleased for him as I was for me. He was just class.
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He was referring to the majority because you brought up names that anyone would know are not in the same league as Gerrard just to win a debate. Would Mourinho of paid 25 mil to get any of those players?
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He was referring to the majority because you brought up names that anyone would know are not in the same league as Gerrard just to win a debate. Would Mourinho of paid 25 mil to get any of those players? think you will find the names I mentioned were directly relevent to what we were debating, I was giving a perfect example to the point I was making, the point he used was based on the majority which I think is a totaly false and non relevent thing to base an opinion on, everyone should have there own opinions not go with the flow.
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I never really like this type of thing,
For raw unadulterated skill and talent I would have to say Robbie Fowler is the best striker that Liverpool and England, perhaps, have ever seen - but he achieved nothing with with either of them. But for his first 4/5 years at Anfiled I can honeslty say I have never seen any English player before or since so naturally talented.
Steven Gerrard has all round talent that lends itself to everything and everywhere on the pitch and gods know he had been grabbing this club by the scruff of the next for about 13 years now.
Dalglish is the iconic soul of the club but in terms of raw talent I don't think he was as good as the two above ..... but was obviuosly blessed with world class players around him pretty much all the time.
Dalglish the most successful, Gerrard the most rounded, but Fowler the most gifted striker I have ever seen anywhere.
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He was referring to the majority because you brought up names that anyone would know are not in the same league as Gerrard just to win a debate. Would Mourinho of paid 25 mil to get any of those players? think you will find the names I mentioned were directly relevent to what we were debating, I was giving a perfect example to the point I was making, the point he used was based on the majority which I think is a totaly false and non relevent thing to base an opinion on, everyone should have there own opinions not go with the flow. As I said, it's your opinion, and that says a lot about your football knowledge to me. I am not going to argue anymore with you, on this at least.
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Stan, you must have seen some great players at turn of the 20th century.....
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