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Folks ???
Don't you think there is a thing about players from older eras where they are ramped up over more modern. Gerrard will never be as good as Souness etc. How can that be generally was mankind biologically superior then are players minds and bodies deteroriating. Or is it in the mists of time and lack of television / utube back then we forget Hansen, Dalglish, Pele, Best also had bad games? Whereas today every mistake is analysed and every game is televised.
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Definately agree, even looking at raheem sterling people have already said that he wont be as good as barnes. I am a barnes fan, OK great player at watford with potential but he exploded on the scene at liverpool (if my memory serves me), and i think there is no reason why sterling cant match that
I have the same opinion on pele vs maradona. I wasnt around at the time of pele but most if not all older fans will say pele was 'better than' madge. I favour maradona as the game was getting and is getting pacier, so less time to think of tricks with the ball. Plus the 80s was really cynical football as opposed to the 70s which wasnt so cynical even if it was violent.
Now i think the pendulum is reversed. Hard to touch players nowadays without the stretcher coming on. This should lead to flair players being allowed to flourish which has got to be g ood for the game.
Souness vs keane is a g ood example. I wouldnt like to say which one was better, at a push I'd rate souness above keane because souness had a massive psychological impact on the opposition which keane didnt (even though he thought he did) I hate roy keane and i think hes a knobhead like most neutral football fans. But I dont think that souness was miles better than keane
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I'm putting players that challenged for the title in a bracket and players that reached 2 CL finals. You talked about how Gerrard would shin for Chelsea alongside Essien and Lampard, yet he was the shinning light among players in a team that were better than Chelsea.
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Gerrard for me. I wasn't old enough to see Barnes or Dalglish.
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Gerrard for me. I wasn't old enough to see Barnes or Dalglish. gerrard for me too because of the same reason. but the best player i hav ever seen is messi
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I'm putting players that challenged for the title in a bracket and players that reached 2 CL finals. You talked about how Gerrard would shin for Chelsea alongside Essien and Lampard, yet he was the shinning light among players in a team that were better than Chelsea.
when were the players in the Liverpool team Gerrard played with better than those at Chelsea, dont remember that myself like, when have we had better players than Lampard, Carvaliho, Essien, Robben, Cole, Czech and Drogba e.t.c. and if we did why did'nt we win the League like that team did.
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I never said they were better. I said that we did better than they did with those players. Which might translate to us being better than them at the time.
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You compared him to Charlie Adam playing for us. Says a lot really.
And it's not like we've always had average players, Machetano, Alonso and Torres were great players along side Agger, Hypia, Benayoun and Kuyt who were also very good, he was still a stand out player. And when he made it to the CL final TWICE, he obviously wasn't playing alongside average players and was the star. if you read the post properly you will see I used Charlie Adam as an example of how a player always looks better than whats around him and will always look better than he actualy is. You cant seriously be putting players like Benayoune, Torres, Agger and Kuyt alongside players like Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Ray Kennedy, Case, Dalglish and Rushie are you because there was no way Gerrard if he played in that team would shine as brightly as he does alongside those players you just said. That's your opinion. How would you explain though that Gerrard won the best player in the Champions league, 3rd best player for the Ballon D'Or, in the FIFA best 11 for a number of years and great managers like Mourinho desperate to sign him (and not once). But of course you know best.
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You compared him to Charlie Adam playing for us. Says a lot really.
And it's not like we've always had average players, Machetano, Alonso and Torres were great players along side Agger, Hypia, Benayoun and Kuyt who were also very good, he was still a stand out player. And when he made it to the CL final TWICE, he obviously wasn't playing alongside average players and was the star. if you read the post properly you will see I used Charlie Adam as an example of how a player always looks better than whats around him and will always look better than he actualy is. You cant seriously be putting players like Benayoune, Torres, Agger and Kuyt alongside players like Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Ray Kennedy, Case, Dalglish and Rushie are you because there was no way Gerrard if he played in that team would shine as brightly as he does alongside those players you just said. That's your opinion. How would you explain though that Gerrard won the best player in the Champions league, 3rd best player for the Ballon D'Or, in the FIFA best 11 for a number of years and great managers like Mourinho desperate to sign him (and not once). But of course you know best. did'nt they give that Ballon D'Or to a certain Michael Owen just because he scored three goals against Germany and also a load of goals in the second tier UEFA Cup, I think Morinho also signed those other world class players Mateja Kezman,Paulo Ferreira, Tal Ben Haim and Belletti.
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Can't separate Kenny and the magical John Barnes as my personal favourite but I've often thought how good Barnsey would have been if they had found him some shorts that fit.
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