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During every transfer window, Liverpool FC always seem to pay over the odds for players. Rumour has it that Steve Bruce was doing cartwheels when Henderson left for £16m. Bruce thought he was worth £4m and our opening offer was £14m. Sunderland were staggered and said 'er we'll think about it'. DC then phoned them back less than half an hour later and offered £16m. UN-BEL-IEVABLE! If Spearing is worth £3m-ish then £4m is probably about right for Jordan. As I said WTF!

This window we have refused to be squeezed even an additional million for Clint Dempsey. Next transfer window all wannabe 'p£ss takers' will have this in the backs of their minds. It's not just about fees either. Gylfi tried to up his demands when he realised LFC wanted him. Well LFC said 'you're not worth that amount!'. Fair play to BR - I like him and if we stick with him I think we'll do well.

Next window (and the window after and the window after that) agents and clubs will realise that LFC are not there to be taken for a ride. We will get better value for money.

This is NEW Liverpool and we are no mugs.

Let the negotiations begin!

PS I saw the movie 'Moneyball' with Bradd Pitt last night. I liked it and I understood the philosophy (Arlis Howard plays John Henry in the movie) - We do not need to spend the mega bucks we just need the mega team. That is all. Square pegs in square holes and Bob's your f%^king uncle!

So you're basically saying that after the next window we'll be looking at a squad that is good value for money, but as thin as about 15-16 players!?

Absolutely not. Instead of 'big names' we will go with players based on stats and how they fit into the team. (presumably this should have worked with Downing but clearly not - but the strike rate in other sports that adopt this principle is good). Assaidi may be an example of this. So is Allen (despite costing a bit) - we had our concerns and he does 'a role' - and he does it to perfection.

The Boston Red Sox did this. spent less than their rivals and won the world series. TWICE (2004 and 2007).

Keep the godda$ned faith!

Has he even featured for us yet?

PS - in some cases certain players are covered by more than one player. I.e. we may lose Torres. So what is his loss to us? 20+ goals a season? So with his money we buy three players. 1. A cheap striker capable of scoring 10+ goals a season. 2. A winger capable of scoring 10+ goals a season and FINALLY a central midfielder that has scored on average 5 goals every season. This equates to over 25+ goals and beats the striker. It's moneyball. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But if stats tell you Borini and Suarez will score less but create for our midfield it all has to be factored into the scoring stats. It's moneyball. plain and simple.

The theory is sound. Its the application that can be the issue.


Some verbal diarrhoea....

We invested in players potential thinking of long term value, but it was obvious to everyone that the gamble didn't work. Camolli has a history of finding talent, the only problem is that his finds rarely fit into the team. It happened at Spurs and it happened with us. Henderson will no doubt be a better player if he left, and fans will wonder why we let him leave.

The RedSox are currently unhappy because they invested in high earning free market players. (Like we did with Joe Cole.) They haven't achieved the targets expected, (square peg round hole) and now they are in a situation where the performance isn't reflecting the wage bill, and the players wont go anywhere else as the money is too good.

During every transfer window, Liverpool FC always seem to pay over the odds for players. Rumour has it that Steve Bruce was doing cartwheels when Henderson left for £16m. Bruce thought he was worth £4m and our opening offer was £14m. Sunderland were staggered and said 'er we'll think about it'. DC then phoned them back less than half an hour later and offered £16m. UN-BEL-IEVABLE! If Spearing is worth £3m-ish then £4m is probably about right for Jordan. As I said WTF!

Not disputing he clearly isn't worth the money paid but complete hearsay.

This window we have refused to be squeezed even an additional million for Clint Dempsey. Next transfer window all wannabe 'p£ss takers' will have this in the backs of their minds. It's not just about fees either. Gylfi tried to up his demands when he realised LFC wanted him. Well LFC said 'you're not worth that amount!'. Fair play to BR - I like him and if we stick with him I think we'll do well.

Proven quality attacking midfielder 34 goals in 2 seasons. People talk like the man of 29 is Gigg's age. If anyone thinks Dempey wasn't worth £6 million with a squad of 19 who can't score for jack they seriously need to find another pastime. Just remember, each league position is now worth £750,000. If the guy scored anywhere near as many in a team arguably much more able to supply him with higher quality balls he'd pay for the transfer on his own.

Next window (and the window after and the window after that) agents and clubs will realise that LFC are not there to be taken for a ride. We will get better value for money.

When does anyone get value for money in January which is the next window? 80-90% are last throw of the dice panic buys. We may well be in that position who knows?

This is NEW Liverpool and we are no mugs.

Pinching pennies and spending pounds more like. Whose the mug there?

Let the negotiations begin!

PS I saw the movie 'Moneyball' with Bradd Pitt last night. I liked it and I understood the philosophy (Arlis Howard plays John Henry in the movie) - We do not need to spend the mega bucks we just need the mega team. That is all. Square pegs in square holes and Bob's your f%^king uncle!

can we have that thread title in English?

Weren't Pap Cisse and Nik Jelavic January value buys?