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He's done sweet fa from day one. Seems to me that he thought he'd done it all as soon as he signed for Liverpool. I don't think its fair to blame Rafa for Babels appalling attitude and lack of commitment.

his attitude is not good and he seems to have is head on other things (rap music)....still i think rafa has treated him badly. starting one game then being on the bench the coming 5 is not fair if you compare with the chances other players like kuyt and lucas gets...

That may have something to do with them having the correct attitudes and showing this on the training field.

actually I don't think rafa has treated him badly. The reason why he was benched was because he was playing crap. Ryan needs to understand that potential talent doesn't warrant a starting 11 place. If he doesn't work hard and prove himself when he gets his chance, who's he to blame?

If I were rafa, I would bench him too. He was abysmal in a lot of games.

If I were rafa, I would bench him too. He was abysmal in a lot of games. [/quote]


what about kuyt and lucas could barely walk at the start of the season(hes doing ok now because he got a chance)

The only people who know what goes on are the players and the coaching staff. Maybe he's a disruptive influence. Maybe the senior players don't want him in the team. There's something not right and I reckon the blame falls firmly on the door step of the player.

The likes of Madrid and AC Milan are hardly banging down the door for him.

rafa can't handle the young players. i'm sure babel would be a much player today had he signed for arsenal 2 ½ years ago...his attitude might be real bad and that's a big problem. but it won't do his attitude any good when he scores and then finds himself on the bench the coming 4 games. i'm not trying to defend him because i'm far from his biggest fan, but i just think we have to see it from both perspectives, and babel has become a worse player under rafa than he was before he came here...maybe it's just because he has a lousy attitude, but i think rafa has played a big part in it..

i'm afraid pacheco, eccleston and the others will go the same way if rafa stays in charge...

If Birmingham have offered £8m (ClickLiverpool say £9m knocked back), then we should wait a week or two as they are after a 'marquee' signing & will pay more in 2 weeks time.

Always best to get as much as you can playing some hardball!

I think Rafa is a stickler for discipline and this could be at the root of Babels problem. I think Rafa would prefer to see a better reaction for Babel by committing himself more in training and working hard to get in the team? He just seems to be happy picking up his wages and having most weekends off.

With regards to the youngsters coming through I'd be very surprised if they hadn't been schooled in the way of being a Liverpool player and what it means.

yep he definetly is...that's why we're seeing lucas and kuyt in the line up week in week out...

i really hope the youngsters will come thru an be a success but i'm afraid rafa will destroy many of them...he loves players like kuyt and lucas because he knows they will be running around and doing the exact job he wants them to do...if that's the way they're trying to school pacheco and amoo and the rest then he will never get the best out of them. there's a thing called creativity and that's exactly what we're lacking...