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Could those who are bang on with their tactical side of the game please explain to me how this tikka takka is going to work week in week out?

Having watched our first 3 games I have drawn the following conclusions:

If you play a high pressing game and lose the ball how can you expect to fill the gaping holes left where you would usually have a drilled back line?

What happens with 'pass pass pass' when the team you are playing (Arsenal) can play 'out pass out pass out pass' and hit you on the counter? Master Wenger had quite obviously done his homework and schooled his team to perfection on how to play us.

Is this style of football proven to have the highest win ratio with any team?

Is it only realistically possible to play with a squad of £300 million or so of talent?

I don't feel easy if the basic ethos is you score 2 and we'll score 3 which is what I'm starting to feel. It's just we are scoring zilch because we don't actually have a striker in the strict sense of the word.

This is not meant as a criticism or excuse to bash BR, it is an honest attempt to understand what appears to me up to now a system with gaping holes and weaknesses.

Quite welcome being educated on this style of play.

we were always going to let in more goals with this system. as hansen pointed out on motd our fullbacks are playing like wingers and no cover, it also didn't help that without lucas we couldn't get close to diaby or arteta, both of whom had monster games.

the thing with tiki taka is you just have to 11 players that are not going to give the ball away, gerrard doesn't look like he can play that way as he was sloppy out, suarez first touch was straight to an arsenal player and borini isn't good enough.

Sorry mate, cannot help you. Have been saying the same thing for weeks now. Barca took ages + a whole culture development to put that in place in a country where players are physically built for such a system. If you ask me, this is a square peg in a round hole for LFC. Anyway, will wait for the tacticians to explain

allen is suited to tiki taka, looks look iniesta out there. the rest not so sure, sterling yes ,fantastic control and clever passing. john joe for me too has potential

"Just f*cking hoof it"

Give it time, 3 games eh?

Wakka, it's not about time or 3 matches. I've been asking this question for weeks now, in fact, as soon as I heard that our new manager wanted to play Tiki Taka as Barca and Spain. Even if I assume that he has all the competences of the world to play this system, where the hell is he going to find the players? Definitely I don't think that most of our current players can do it except probably a couple max. So we'll need to buy new players and to get the good ones who know the system, you need to go probably to Spain and Barca (even young ones), but then we don't have much resources. This will take a lot of time if at all possible.

Now let's say Allen exels at it this season, who tells you we won't get a super offer from Barca/City/Chelsea and if we do, I bet we will sell. So we start again.

For how long are we going to do that before we can win the league (or come 4th) according to you? What will happen to our fan base by then? What will happen to the value of the club in the process? Do you think we will sign good sponsorship contract if that happens? Too many questions for me to have faith, but looks like we are trying something different (FSG doesn't want to or can't do it the City way, ie, spend millions) as FSG did with Red Sox. If it works they will be called geniuses, but for me it's a huge gamble. I hope it works just as the are hoping themselves I am sure.

He is not expecting us to play exactly like Barcelona but it is about controlling possession. Swansea managed to do it last season because they were well drilled and used to it. we are still one or 2 players short possibly as we don't yet know how Assaidi will fare and Swansea had 2 excellent wingers last year in Dyer and Sinclair.

It is all a work in progress this season starting by getting a midfield capable of holding possession successfully. It appears that the weakest link at the moment is Gerrard so it will be interesting to see what BR does there.

We will also hopefully see the inclusion of more and more youth players capable of making the step up a la Sterling and Shelvey before him. There is obviously high hopes for Yesil as well and the likes of Suso etc have been talked about for years without ever getting a chance to play and BR will put his faith in young players.

Nothing wrong with the tactic - our downfall vs arsenal was simply down to individual errors. After the 1st 20 minutes, hardly anyone could perform the simple taks of playing a short straight pass to the nearest man in space. It was embarassing to watch. I think we need to accept that the players who we think are so good, actually aren't that good at all and we've been kidding ourselves for some time now. There's no other explanation for our performances over the last few years.

Did BR implement his system quickly and effectively into Swansea, or were they already playing that way under Martinez?

He continued on the work started by Martinez if I'm not mistaken