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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
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We had £60million worth of player on the bench on Saturday
(Carroll, Henderson & Adam)

A lot of expensive flops that we are going to be stuck with for the forseeable future.

Does that answer your question?


Not to me. It's Brendan Rodgers who did not play them and we lost, so not sure if it was a good idea to leave them on the bench. I agree that we paid too much for Andy C, but what was the other option when Torres left 20 mins before that the transfer window shut. I understood that we tried Llorente who did not want to come and with the policy of buying young players with sell on value who was the striker we could get then? May be Sturridge who just started to play in Chelsea's first team. We could have left it and buy in the next window, but what would we have said with Torres gone and nobody bought to replace him? I watch almost all LFC games of any season (Premiership, FA Cup, League cup, friendlies very often, you name it)and one of the players who impressed me the most was Caroll when we got beat 3-1 at Newcastle with him scoring the 3rd goal from 15-20 yards outside the box. Also, he was the best England player when he was selected by Capello to play against France, remember? Agree he has shown only glimpses of this last year, but, he was injured for a long time and had to adjust. How good was 50m Torres last year? Who has scored the most in our games so far (including friendlies)? Talking about Henderson, he is in the England squad for god's sake, he cannot be that bad.


The other option? Wait for value. There is no sell on value on a 35 million pound limited player so we weren't adhering to rule you suggest.

Carroll was not England's best player against France. Of course that is subjective so you are entitled to think differently, but I massive massively disagree with you.

Including friendlies? Doesn't really mean much does it as once upon a time voronin lit up friendlies. Also half our players weren't here for the friendlies.

Your point about henderson to me is just ludicrous. It isn't based on anything. So what he is in the England squad? And? How about you base an opinion on what you think of his performances rather than a nothing point. If you still think he has something that that's fair enough at least it will based on something more than "he's in the england squad"


As I said we could have waited to buy in summer instead of buying Caroll immediately, but how many of us would have accepted having Torres gone and nobody replacing him? we would all be saying that the new owners are just asset stripping, isn't it. With regards to Henderson, sorry, I though that you had to be good to be in the England squad.

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He got sacked becuase we were terrible

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I entirely agree his transfers were beyond belief he wasted the biggest transfer budget in Liverpool's history other than Enrique almost all will be moved on in a huge loss within 12 months. The net spend argument is particularly silly as is Dalglish's own argument that Carroll price was -£15m. That comment alone probably got him the sack. As any businessman knows you don't waste money even if it is a windfall you invest wisely. To be honest I don't even think Dalglish is a manager it was madness to appoint him. How many other clubs are clamouring for his services today?


Of course he was not a business man but he is one of the rare managers who won the Premier League (with Blackburn). I don't think he wants to go back into management after us, in fact, he came in only because it was LFC. Anyway, he is gone now for good or bad reasons (each one will have his own views, fair enough), let's see what happens next.

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Vish but a modern manager must be a businessman its a critical part of the job. Transfer wheeling and dealing is critical even as manager of manchester city. But particularly so when funds are limited.


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Stanley, do you think that Mancini ot Jose M are good businessmen? Arsene W, definitely but the first 2 just want to win trophies and cry like babies when they do not get what they want. Can you believe it when Mancini says he does not have a squad good enough to win the EPL again and that his CEO is not buying players? It is difficult for a manager to be a good businessman as he is usually appraised on results on the field, but not on the P&L, there should be somebody else at the club to worry about this and strike the right balance. Sometimes I feel that Arsene is one of the main shareholders of Arsenal, in fact, this is why he is still around after not winning any trophies for a number of years.He looks well after the P&L and keeps the club ticking (top 4 every year to get Champions Laegue revenues) even after selling the best players year on year. Of course no trophies in return which will also mean fans erosion in the medium to long term.

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Because he think's English players are world class players, Just like the press does!!!

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Originally Posted By: Lfc
Because he think's English players are world class players, Just like the press does!!!


And FIFA who has ranked England 3rd worldwide if I am not mistaken. Players playing for the 3rd best country squad worldwide should be quite good, don't know about world class.

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
We just love breaking records don't we? laugh

Yeah Snakeye, and some people here sound exactly like one

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He was sacked because he was garbage as a manager and his press conferences and general behaviour was embarrassing. The owners had to pull him up twice last season and did not at one time he call the fans unintelligent because they could not see the wonders he was developing and how about the sponsorship is more important than winning games or how about league position is not the priority. And treating every interviewer on sky of BBC as an idiot visibly sneering at them. I heard it on good authority after the carling cup win on the virgin train home he was so drunk he could not stand. Fine celebrate a cup win but really is that the dignity of the position as Liverpool manager?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
He was sacked because he was garbage as a manager and his press conferences and general behaviour was embarrassing. The owners had to pull him up twice last season and did not at one time he call the fans unintelligent because they could not see the wonders he was developing and how about the sponsorship is more important than winning games or how about league position is not the priority. And treating every interviewer on sky of BBC as an idiot visibly sneering at them. I heard it on good authority after the carling cup win on the virgin train home he was so drunk he could not stand. Fine celebrate a cup win but really is that the dignity of the position as Liverpool manager?


And thats a problem because?Any manager that sh*ts on a xenophobic borderline racists press machine is my friend.

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