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Like most of us on this forum, since the down turn in Liverpool's performance I've tried to find possible reasons to why we are in this state. Most of us conclusion for the solution to this problem is "LFC needs better players" which is always a good solution, but lfc scars run deeper than that.

I think liverpool focus should stop being on the transfers and instead Brenden (our coaches) is the only solution to our problem. Looking at Barca Man city and Madrid playing the other day it was black and white how these teams transition from defence to attack. While brenden suggested a system in which he wants to play a more in depth approach in the players role is what we've been lacking for the past couple of years. Using barca as the example (because thats the team we are trying to imitate) every player as a particular role and each player knows exactly how to position themselves whenever another player is in position, If a player divverts from the original set up and the attack ends up unsuccessful all the players know to reset and where to start back from Whatever wing the ball is on the fullback on the other wing is on the touch line out wide preparing for the ball to shift leaving the defense shifting also and putting the ball in the box.

The biggest problem I've seen with liverpool is that we have yet to develop a system in which we work off when we attack wether it be fullbacks overlapping to deliver the final ball in the box from crosses or coming down the middle and all three forward making run in the box behind the defense. Whenever players get the ball in the opposition half with majority of the team we seem to pass the ball around with no clear cut knowledge of how and where to attack, its more of pass the ball side to side until we lose it, the only real penetration we have is suarez who often gets by his man puts the defense under pressure but become wasteful in front of goal. With this being said i think the responsibility is now left on the coach to go in depth into his tactics working with players on their strengths and weaknesses because even though we have bashed downing and carroll some fault is left on the coaching staff because they have yet to tap into how to bring the best out of each player to contribute to the development of the play, both those players were good at their previous clubs for a reason. There is also a reason new castle performs well its not because they have the better players but because the players they do have know what their roles are, and where to be at particular time. Teams like arsenal and Man u already have a system and often bring players in to get the foundation of the system which often manifest into something better after the player knows whats expected.

While Brenden new methods could be successful it will never work until the team as a set way to attack in the event everything isnt going as expected. Buying players wont help unless there is a successful system already in place.

Obviously....but to put that system in place was what Rodgers was brought in for. And I am prepared to give him more than one game. And in any case first 30 mins on saturday I thought we looked quite good.

most def we did look ok, but what happened after we went 1 goal down. even in the first half it wasnt clear cut either. its been like that for a while whenever we go a goal down and the pressue is on us we start playing like we have no idea how to respond. anyway my post was just saying we shouldnt focus soley on transfer because alot of fans believe thats the answer.

Chelsea and City to me are proof that transfers are one of the answers tbh.However for a start we as LFC should lose this arrogance that we deserve to win things and be at the top.

im not denying transfers aren't major factors, but whats the sense with getting the players and no system to put them in. on paper we have a better squad than new castle and everton even spurs but we finish below them last year and they look to be playing better football. In regards to City and Chelsea you have to realise that they spent millions year in and year out without success it was until they got the coaching and system correct before they got anything. Last season city squad introduced only aguero which seem to made the difference before him they had tons of players that they bought and still couldnt deliver.

We don't get men forward fast enough, if the 1st phase attack gets held up, very rarely do we have enough players up there to create a quick second or even third phase attack.

What we tend to do is slow it down and end up back on the halfway line. Then it's a long diagonal aimed at the corner of the box

When the 1st phase counter attack gets held up, you need men up there to take advantage of the confusion and lack of defenders.

We never have them, by the time we lumber up there, the defence has got two lines of four set up, ready and waiting.

I always like the WM formation, in todays language it would be 2332 or 4132 with attacking fullbacks or even 41311, depends how you want to play it, but it does give 5 of your players all the freedom they need to get forward as quick as the can.

i agree with you, this is just one aspect of our attacking though. i think if we should counter based on the players we have we should counter using the asiadi player, he seems to be the only one in our team with pace and skill necessary. also we need to look on ways to attack when all the opponents players are behind the ball.

If a defence is set, the only key to unlocking is quality, when it is set, the sum of the mass is greater than the etc etc, it will work as an unit, to get through it, your players need to be better than their players, you need more quality. It's the reason why we need to make more of the first couple of phases when we do attack.

Felaini looked awesome tonight!!!

He was a beast. And to think that Everton's next few games are against Villa, Wigan, West Brom, Southampton, etc. If they start strong for a change, which they should do with that fixture list, I reckon we'll be playing catch-up with them for the rest of the season.