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Tika-Taka for us could be the nail in the coffin.
Rodgers is putting everything on the line adopting this style.
From the West Brom game I noticed the gaps at the back were huge!
If the baggies can score 3 I dread to think what the top teams will do to us on the break with this high line of defence.
The only good thing to come out of this weekend, Was the fact both Spurs and Arsenal didn't win.
That's the positive our rivals slipped up LOL, What a joke we've become in recent years. thats waht tiki taka is, gomel should have knocked 3 or 4 in too. u have to have 70% possession to win, our players can't get it at the momement. when they do we will win games as the gaps will only be exposed 2 times instead of 10
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Tika-Taka for us could be the nail in the coffin.
Rodgers is putting everything on the line adopting this style.
From the West Brom game I noticed the gaps at the back were huge!
If the baggies can score 3 I dread to think what the top teams will do to us on the break with this high line of defence.
The only good thing to come out of this weekend, Was the fact both Spurs and Arsenal didn't win.
That's the positive our rivals slipped up LOL, What a joke we've become in recent years. Have the same feeling with regards to this Tiki Taka crap. We'll find out next Sunday with quick attackers. Last year we drew and could have won it in the 2nd hal. We'll see how Tiki Taka works.
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Dont get me wrong, The tika-taka system is very good although I prefer the dutch original version, Total Football.
The issue is not when we have the ball, It's getting hit on the break.
From the Chelsea v Barca games last year you can see how easy it is to put 10 men behind the ball then do a swift counter attack.
We need to ensure we are covered at the back, From Saturday's game it seemed like Allen and Lucas are playing a similar role and kept going for the same balls.
OK so it was there first game and things will hopefully improve.
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Dont get me wrong, The tika-taka system is very good although I prefer the dutch original version, Total Football.
The issue is not when we have the ball, It's getting hit on the break.
From the Chelsea v Barca games last year you can see how easy it is to put 10 men behind the ball then do a swift counter attack.
We need to ensure we are covered at the back, From Saturday's game it seemed like Allen and Lucas are playing a similar role and kept going for the same balls.
OK so it was there first game and things will hopefully improve. not sure what the problem is. we have lost one game and people want a chnage in system and players? really this is astounding. we have been crying out for a real playing style and yet as soon as somebody tries to install one there is an outcry. Players need to grow into this new system. We have bought 3 young players this summer for moderate financial packages leaving us the opportunity to improve over time. we have introduced 8 players in the last year or so 25 or under, 4 of which were 22 or under. to realy turn these players into a functional team under one philosophy will take longer than 4 weeks. We do not want to swap and change after every defeat. Its time to get off this hamsters wheel. Fans need to start to embrace what we are trying to do. I personally think at home we will be ok but struggle away. With 3 players from the youth on the cusp of the first team we have a very young and hungry squad developing, lets give the man time to develop it.
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Dont get me wrong, The tika-taka system is very good although I prefer the dutch original version, Total Football.
The issue is not when we have the ball, It's getting hit on the break.
From the Chelsea v Barca games last year you can see how easy it is to put 10 men behind the ball then do a swift counter attack.
We need to ensure we are covered at the back, From Saturday's game it seemed like Allen and Lucas are playing a similar role and kept going for the same balls.
OK so it was there first game and things will hopefully improve. Hopefully as you say but allow me to have my doubts and I'll tell you why. Barca has been playing this system for a long time and it is in their culture from grassroot children teams. A lot of teams and managers have tried this and failed. Abramovich has been trying to recruit a Manager for this for at leat 5 years with all his resources. How can we suddenly (over a few months) be successful? I don't even think we have the players and don't tell me BR is an expert at this, please. Looks like our owners are lost as they have put their fingers (and money) in something they have no clue about. I feel they are trying anything that is music to their ears or may be they believe in Santa Claus...
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Who has Abromovich hired that aspires to play this kind of football? Mourinho certainly didn't and neither did Ancellotti. AVB was the only one who tried to play it and he didn't have either the players or the support required to remove the troublesome players who didn't like the style as they couldn't really fit into it.
No one realistically expects us to be succesful over a few months, they expect to see some sort of improvement but 1 game is hardly the basis to make a decision on that.
We have players more than capable of playing this system. Reina is perfectly suited to playing a sweeper role as keeper
Agger is a ball playing defender and Skrtel is no slouch and both can play a high line of defence. Johnson and Enrique are fast enough to bomb down the sidelines providing constant width similar to what City do.
Lucas and Allen are there to primarily protect the defence, link the backs and forwards and keep the ball moving. With a bit of time to develop an understanding between them they will be perfectly suited to it. Gerrard or Dempsey if we sign him are given a free enough role to time their runs into the box and this should suit Gerrard in particular if he doesn't have to worry defensively as much.
Suarez will cause problems for any defence and has the skill to play down the wings or through the middle and cause problems. Borini as yet is an unknown and Carroll doesn't seem to be in favour but I still believe he can do a job if given a chance.
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BR is well respected in both Holland and Spain, He knows the system that for sure.
I'm not asking for a change in system. I'm saying we need to focus on getting the triangles in the right areas of the pitch. No point having 70% of possession if 80% of that is in our half!
The trouble is, BR prob wont have much time before The Press start applying pressure. Look at the tabloids from the weekend, They had a field day with us, But Fulham and Swansea had tremendous results.
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Who has Abromovich hired that aspires to play this kind of football? Mourinho certainly didn't and neither did Ancellotti. AVB was the only one who tried to play it and he didn't have either the players or the support required to remove the troublesome players who didn't like the style as they couldn't really fit into it.
No one realistically expects us to be succesful over a few months, they expect to see some sort of improvement but 1 game is hardly the basis to make a decision on that.
We have players more than capable of playing this system. Reina is perfectly suited to playing a sweeper role as keeper
Agger is a ball playing defender and Skrtel is no slouch and both can play a high line of defence. Johnson and Enrique are fast enough to bomb down the sidelines providing constant width similar to what City do.
Lucas and Allen are there to primarily protect the defence, link the backs and forwards and keep the ball moving. With a bit of time to develop an understanding between them they will be perfectly suited to it. Gerrard or Dempsey if we sign him are given a free enough role to time their runs into the box and this should suit Gerrard in particular if he doesn't have to worry defensively as much.
Suarez will cause problems for any defence and has the skill to play down the wings or through the middle and cause problems. Borini as yet is an unknown and Carroll doesn't seem to be in favour but I still believe he can do a job if given a chance. I said Abramovich wanted to play this system but could not get the Manager to do it, when he got AVB, we all know what happened. It looks like you are very confident that this Tiki Taka will work for us while I am unfortunately not confident at all, though I sincerely hope. How long do you think this system will start paying?
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Tika-Taka for us could be the nail in the coffin.
Rodgers is putting everything on the line adopting this style.
From the West Brom game I noticed the gaps at the back were huge!
If the baggies can score 3 I dread to think what the top teams will do to us on the break with this high line of defence.
The only good thing to come out of this weekend, Was the fact both Spurs and Arsenal didn't win.
That's the positive our rivals slipped up LOL, What a joke we've become in recent years. I think we'll bottle it and go 4-4-2.
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