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It's good to know that you won't get banned for disagreeing with Dunc and the moderators but I have a couple small concerns about the cull.
As ridiculous as it sounds I think it would be helpful if what constitutes as 'abuse' is articulated by those in charge, perhaps in the 'attention' thread at the top of the post list. While some things are obvious like personal insults, discriminatory slurs, hate speech, threats, or what has become known as "flaming out" on internet forums, other things are less clear. A healthy board needs rigourous debate... it also needs banter and humour. As most of us are British on here you can't dispense with light-hearted sarcasm either. I think Kop Talk would lose it's personality, colour, and even jocularity if it goes overboard on censorship... and as Bar pointed out the forum could lose it's edge and appeal.
Some of the negative nellies and doom-mongers get on my t1ts... but a lot of them are fairly articulate (if a bit repetitive) and fun to banter with. There are a lot of people I have disagreed with, clashed with even, and while some of them would not be missed a fair few of them are decent contributors and bring personality to the forum.
I've watched a few of Dunc's videos and can tell he's good Yorkshire stock, likes a bit of banter, and has a sense of humour.... so I'm hoping this forum will be allowed to retain some of those elements. But I watched another vibrant forum slowly die because the moderation got too political and heavyhanded... so I thought to ask for a bit of clarity on the rules even if it seems obvious.
Case in point (responding to an earlier example) - the new poster that was talking about his first trip to Anfield and being disappointed was met with a rather terse "well don't go then." Yes it was a bit harsh - but was there really anything wrong with the response? He didn't insult, call names, or even say anything unsavoury - but was just rather blunt and direct. Should this person be binned? One poster thought he should have been. This is the grey area that needs to be defined. Sometimes things come across differently in print than as they were intended by the person writing it. It would be sad for a good poster to get banned for being taken too seriously when they're just having a bit of banter... or to be taken out of context. Censorship is a sticky thing.... I agree entirely Kop Prophet. Rigorous debate is what makes it entertaining. Direct insults such as calling someone a t*** say are clear as would be say no one from outside Liverpool should watch LFC. But the grey areas are the issue as you say. Also subjects like racism are difficult these days what is racism? To some even to question the race industry would be classed as racism and it tends to be a catch all agenda driven matter. At the end of the day its common sense and we can all tell what is acceptable and what’s not. I am sure there are some who would like me to be banned because I look at the gloom side of things particularly FSG and Dalglish. But I say it not to get a reaction but because it’s what I genuinely believe and my concern for the club which I think is in a bad place to where we could have been given our once dominance. I do enjoy Koptalk but it would ruin it if we were treating on eggshells on what we posted. Sometimes myself and I am sure yourself KP overstep the mark but we correct ourselves and that’s what it’s all about decency and common sense.
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Must admit I virtually lived on that site KP spoke about and it was vibrant and very close knit. We had fans from other clubs on there too and we even met up with one of them when we played Chelsea at Anfield. It was a really good crowd. On here there is a lot less banter and some real idiotic comments at times but at least these are not as bad as one site I went on. Can't quite remember which one it was but it had loads of members and if you were not a "local" person your opinion meant nothing. I soon left. This site is the closest I have seen to the one which eventually dwindled away but I don't post as much here as I did there as it is still quite impersonal here.
There is a fine line between trading banter and trading insults depending on how well people get on with others. Banter is something that can be exchanged and quickly reciprocated. Insults should just be ignored. If you disagree with something make your point and agree to disagree.
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Was it just stuff said on this thread or on others too? I've read theough this and didn't see anything too bad.
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It just became too personal on here at times.
I think some people respond a little too aggressively to others disagreeing with their opinions sometimes.
A forum without healthy debate is pointless but it was just starting to get out of hand on here too often. I think Dunc had to knock it on the head as it was starting to get difficult to actually have a chat about LFC.
By the way, I am not excluding myself from any of the above. We are probably all guilty of it at some stage.
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i have not read a single post in this thread, but as an american i can say with authority that FSG are going to run LFC like basically ANY group such as themselves run any club. first and foremost, liverpool football club is a business to them, one they bought to make money. does that mean you can't trust them? not necessarily. mainly because, like any other business...if it's not run correctly you are going to make zero profit. so, i do think that they have good intentions to an extent. i believe that they will do what they can, within reason, to get liverpool back on top, but only because us being on top means more money for them. so basically, FSG and us liverpool fans have the same goals, but for entirely different reasons.
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I think we all know that Juss, every owner wants to double or triple his initial investment. Henry cannot do that unless we are at least back into the champions league as that brings an extra 20-50m a year depending on how well Liverpool do in the competition. Everyone has his goals as you said whether you are the owner or a normal supporter but the important thing is we all meet at the finish line and agree on everything.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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Was it just stuff said on this thread or on others too? I've read theough this and didn't see anything too bad. I think some posts were deleted wilki because I cannot find a trace of rafarandum's post anywhere so some posters got their posts deleted as well.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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I think we all know that Juss, every owner wants to double or triple his initial investment. Henry cannot do that unless we are at least back into the champions league as that brings an extra 20-50m a year depending on how well Liverpool do in the competition. Everyone has his goals as you said whether you are the owner or a normal supporter but the important thing is we all meet at the finish line and agree on everything. exactly. i have no problem with FSG but a lot of people i have talked to (and i've seen a few posts on here), don't seem to understand why FSG aren't just giving us billions and billions of dollars and building us a new stadium. as i said before, i do believe we have the same goals and just different motivations for achieving those goals. that's the point, i guess, i am trying to make...we all have the same goals. doesn't matter if you're just a supporter or a part of FSG, we all want to be on top.
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