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#258182 15/08/12 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Thanks for ruining what may have become a good thread, craney.


Pleasure. Enjoy.

I'd love to know how though, idiot wink

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Yeah but how do you know they aren't?

Every transfer is a gamble.

At the moment we cant attract the top top players so we are shopping in a limited market.

Other clubs know this and price their players accordingly when we approach them.

I think BR saw Allen as his top priority in the transfer market going by how he spoke about him after he signed.


The way I see it is that a player isn't worth £15m until he's proved that he is worth £15m. Had Allen lit the premier league up last season and been sought after by many top clubs then I could understand his valuation. In my opinion he's had a 'decent' 1st season - that is all, and 1 'decent' season doesn't dictate such a high fee. He could prove me wrong, but until he does I think I am right in being more than a little sceptical.
Perhaps the transfer dealings of dalglish has made me more suspicious/cautious than usual.....?

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Difference between price & value, If he does the job which is expected of him and BR seems to have conficence in him then his 'value' will go up into the 20m bracket, assuminig liverpool win matches. A team with lucas and allen in it will on paper at least dominate other midfields.

Difference between paying 6 or 7 for say an Adam type player low risk and low talent and 15 m for allen is what less than 10 million so wouldnt be disappointed if he doesnt become a superstar (because we didnt pay 30 million for him which would have been feasible under dalglish and commoli)

What annoys me is bad scouting , adam isnt worth five pounds to a premiership team that is any good.


So in the same way i dont think people should be saying we have been ripped off yet again, i think its too early to say he is the missing piece in the jigsaw, because clearly if all BR brings in is Sahin then we will have similar problems to last year , lots of possession and no or few goals scored

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Fair point but the transfer market has gone mad the last few years.

Last seasons transfer disaster has left all of us very nervous.

We are on here discussing the merits of receiving £17million for a player we spent £35million on.

that will not happen under BR.

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The Carroll transfer and what Kenny and Dirty Damien did will hurt not just our club for years to come, but all the clubs in the league. All of a sudden average players have an inflated price as soon as the selling club know how desperate the buying club are for that specific player, when they are in need of a striker, or a replacement or whatever,

Steven Fletcher is now a £35mill player, all because of that plonka Kenny and Inspector Damien blowing £35mill on a 6'4 Geordie ponytail donkey.

I still have nightmares.

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The way I see it, we should be accepting/rejecting any andy carroll offers based on what we think he is worth, not what we paid. If we hold out for anything close to what we paid then it just won't happen and he'll go on a free in 3.5 years time. That would be worse wouldn't it - £35m in fees down the pan PLUS £21m in wages??! Did you know that he gets £5k appearance fee per game plus an annual bonus!? By the time he's gone he could end up costing us upwards of £60m - I'm not sure that his 4 goals per year justify such an outlay.

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5k a match thats almost the price of a pie at anfield

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Andy Carroll is worth a pork pie and a packet of crisps, if we get that offer and we can get them to throw in a snickers, I think we should take it and run.

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That's all well and good but inevitably we will miss out on targets which could take us to the next level, just for the sake of saving small amounts of money. And I don't see how paying £15m for Joe Allen fits in with any of the above either. We were the only team in for him and had to pay well over the odds because of the agreement about not going back for his ex-players.


I think you are missing the point.. Everytime we currently go for a player the price goes up by a few million. Even before we bought Carroll we had this problem. Arsenal don't get this, neither do spurs. The sooner we address this, the sooner we are no longer looked at as an easy target.

The simple fact is Allen is worth that money. Borini is also worth the money we paid for him. Siggy clearly was not. Time will tell but so far I couldn't be happier with how BR is going about his business.


How do you know that Allen is worth £15m+? How do you know Borini is worth £10m?
When you think of what other teams have spent £15m on in the last year or 2, the likes of Joe Allen (virtually unheard of and unproven) don't even compare. He 'might' come good but no one knows. We have paid (as we always do), the kind of money you would expect to pay to get the finished article. BR 'seems' to be operating no differently to any of our previous managers. Actions speak louder than words and £15m for JA doesn't sound like we've stopped paying over the odds. BR is saying one thing but doing something different. Until his signing set the league on fire they cannot be considered a success or a bargain.

Siggurdson could have been ours for £8m but we paid £15m (after having 2 initial offers turned down) for Joe Allen which was his get out clause fee. Is Joe Allen twice as good? Since when has paying the get out clause fee been a shrewd way to do business? We paid exactly what Swansea wanted, not what we wanted to pay.


Seriously!! So you don't think Borini or Allen won't be great additions.. or worth their money? Seriously???? Well you will just have to hope that they turn out alright then i guess.. make your mind up though, one minute your saying we are not paying enough and the next we are paying too much..

BR has worked with both players.. so maybe he knows a 'little' more than you about the quality, worth and price of these players.. no?

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Carheex is actually pulling the strings at Anfield.

Cant you tell by his posts?

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