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Everyone's excited about the coming season because we'll be playing a brand of possession football under BR and rightly so.

But I'm just thinking aloud - if we manage to play the swanky tiki taka style with good possession, but yet fail to finish in top 4 for the next 3 seasons, would u still want BR to hang around?

I think he will be given time whatever. But its a results business and I could not care whether its tika taka or wibbly wobbly as long as we progress.

He need's to be given time at least two season's. Change wont happen that quick.If we are playing well and are close to the top four I'm sure more and better players will join us. We just need to see improvements year after year and hopefully the good times will return

Patience is essential and we need stability now more than ever.

BR should be given every chance and if that means going backward before we go forward initially, then so be it.

It's going to be an 'interesting' season, not in a nice way, if things don't go too well for us. The tough start perhaps doesn't help.

I didn't think we were in a bad enough state to publicly declare that we don't expect fourth. Some say it's just to take the pressure off the manager, but I'm not too sure it's the right approach for a club like ours. The pressure to be among the top four should be there season in season out.

Sure, don't sack the person in charge if he doesn't achieve it in season one. But the signal year in year out should be that top 4 is our expectation. We whould be striving and fighting. We shouldn't fear failing to achieve it and we ceratinly shouldn't lower our expectations just because we're afraid we won't reach our real target.

I agree entirely mighty LFC. Champions league should be our no 1 target every year. The league title no we are too far gone for that. But I don't agree with those who say 6th is more realistic its not we are still capable of fourth place if we play to our capability. Last two seasons we massively under performed in my view.

I don't think we should even put the title out of our minds. Sure we shouldn't expect it or talk about it too much, certainly not as a goal for the coming season or two. But I think it should be the unspoken holy grail in our minds. And every new manager should know that's ultimately what we ar aiming for.

Even if we don't win it year in year out for a while, LFC should be a club that strives for the title. No shame in coming 2nd or 3rd or 4th etc. if you tried your hardest and were ultimately beaten by clubs with more resources. But to give up the fight and just target 4th, or even worse 5th as now seems to be the case as far as the owners are concerned for this season, is just poor. Defeatist and cowardly in my view. It seems we're scared of aiming high for fear of not getting there.

Entirely agree. This time last season on here was excessive optimisim because of king kenny by those who did not know king kenny. I knew it would be a diaaster under him because I knew what he was like most are too young. But this time we might have a decent manager and with a fair wind we might get the club back to where we were 5 seasons ago. That is not an unattainable goal.

Yes, totally hope BR gets us back to at least the best days of Rafa's time when we were competing and fighting. Never afraid to fail. Always prepared to take on the big boys on and off the pitch.

I agree with you guys. Let's give up the defeatist attitude and have some faith. Our players have the potential to win games, and beat most teams in the league. We should be aiming as high as we can get.