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henry is taking the pressure off but the reality is we need top 4 now. gerrard won't be around much longer,suarez will be his last season outside champs league footy.its now or never. i would like to see henry get some real quality in as chelsea have bought everyone,city and utd are just too many quality players ahead of us ..its us,arsenal and maybe spurs fighting for that 4th ,and the longer we are out of it the harder it will become. now or never. dempsey,allen and dzagouv buy them 3 and go for it.

Wigan supporter???

I don't get it..

Look at us for a minute, we are going backwards both on and off the pitch last three season finishes 7,6, 8th this tells its own story, we are no longer a top four club with nothing worthwhile to suggest we ever will be. I am not being negative just stating the facts if you look at the team from say 5 seasons ago and the one we have now it's clear to see we are a pale shadow of what we were players like Torres and even Crouch replaced with crabs like Suarez and Carroll, Alonso and Mascherano replaced with Henderson's and Spearings even Garcia's, Kewel's and Pennants have a better end product than the hopless awful Downing, Carragher and Gerrard are nearing the end and Reina might as well be a different person he has gone that bad. I just think there is nothing coming out of the Club to suggest we are going to come out of this downward spiral, I like Rogers, happy to have him but unfortunately he has a hopless task with no real finance, the reason he was brought in was because he can work with a shoestring budget.

If we are in the bottom 6 @xmas id like to see what henry does/says?

you might be right longlane but supporters should have a degree of optimisim and hope especially in july. I have followed football for 40 odd years and it does not always turn out like you think it might. I agree the squad is poor but that can be changed its Rodgers and Henry who need to deliver. We are a huge club still and progress is possible.

thing is stanley in the last 40 years as you say for about 30 of those 40 we where always regarded as a top team or a big club, for the last 10 years we have slowly ebbed away from that to the point that we are even 33 to 1 to win the league, when have you or anyone ever known odds like that, this is the point I am making.

I really do hope that Brendan can improve us, I really do like him and want him to do well but unfortunately the only hope we have of doing what people on here are suggesting which is challenge for leagues and get into the top four is the equivilent of what Forest done in 78 and Everton did in 84 which is unearth a load of gems which all beared fruit at the same time, it cant happen in todays game because of the money the big clubs have.

There is another big thing which needs to be taking into consideration in that if we do unearth a gem we are not going to be able to keep him because he will be poached by one of the big Clubs, this is something else we have never had to deal with in those 40 years you mention, our club is now vulnerable to bigger predators.

To an extent you are right. But we are far bigger than Forest or Everton so I don't think that analogy works for me

also, I don't agree that we have ebbed away in the last 10 years. For most of that time we were starting to make an impact as a European force again weren't we?

I'd say we've dropped sharply in the last 3 years. And that's mainly because as a club we haven't been united board level decsion making has been disastrous.

stanley its exactly right, it's the same philosophy just on a smaller scale, we need to sign about five or six no mark players who all of a sudden become good at the same time, Forest with Burns, McGovern, Lloyd, O'Neill, Clark, Robertson and Peter Withe e.t.c. and Everton with the Southall, the two Stevens, Reid, Bracewell and Sharp e.t.c. these were all nomarks at the time or players thought to be past there sell by date. This is the only way Liverpool can get the success some people on here think we can get, dont forget as soon as one of those players becomes good you will have to fend off a Chelsea or City waiting to take him off us.

I should mention, i was being sarcastic. Obviously don't post enough to be understood.

I honestly think we've got a fair chance of 4th with a signing or two. It's all down to br and how well he can get certain underperformers playing.

I always think back to what dunk was told by a red sox fan regards the owners, that they will manage our expectations. I won't be negative, but will see who we sign. We certainly shouldn't be selling any first teamers this summer, not if he owners explain their future plans.
Worries me how eager br is to sell Carroll, does he know he wont get anyone else unless he sells?