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mybloodisred #251053 19/07/12 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Spot on redordead!

Also, people who can't actually fathom a decent debate will say YOU ONLY WANT BIG NAMES LIKE XAVI blah blah blah bullsh!t, but if we only go for players like borini and allen and then people like Suarez and Skrtel might think the club is showing a lack of ambition, I'm gonna jump ship. And Liverpool, well we are no longer a team that can say we can replace anyone. Cause we can't. We haven't replaced our better players for the last 5 years. We will slip further and further down the table if we don't arrest the decline by not letting our good players leave.

But like you say redordead, it is an overreaction to what skrtel said. He actually didn't say much. For all we know he just wants a better contract.


I wouldn't necessarily say that. It's true, we haven't been able to attract top-quality players for some time now, but we're certainly able to replace most players we've lost. It's just that a lot of our replacements haven't panned out. I'd say that Johnson has been a more-than-adequate replacement for Arbeloa, and Agger has been a good replacement for Hyypia/Carragher, but Adam and Henderson have been poor replacements for Xabi, and Carroll is a poor replacement for Torres. But then again, who would be able to replace Xabi and Torres? They were truly exceptional players and almost anyone would be a step down. We don't need to be bringing in £30 million World-Class players all the time to show "ambition." But we do need to start spending our money wisely. Newcastle has certainly shown a lot of ambition in the last year or two and Tiote, Cabaye, Cisse, Ben Arfa, and Ba combined all cost less than Carroll! Allen and Borini could turn out to be great players for the club, but we just don't know. One's not even at Liverpool yet and the other hasn't played a game!


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The truth is, we have been very poor at replacing starting players over the years. I really don't think selling him is wise at this stage.

Lucas21 #251079 19/07/12 04:15 PM
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We can't expect everyone to be dying to play for us and only us.

Yes we should!!! Players should be committed or f*ck off. It's not like he's someone who has shown his value for 5 seasons. He's had one good season yet we still finished 8th! Now he wants permission to negotiate a move?!


Exactly! if he's here for the cash rather than the footy then i'd be glad if he moved on.

Lucas21 #251085 19/07/12 04:34 PM
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id take £20m for him if he doesn't want to be here. he's a good player but we can deffo get somebody else in who can do a good enough job if not better.

everybody wanted him gone during hodgsons reign, he was so poor yet he played every single game for us. he's a good centre back but i think that £20m could get us a replacement and some left over funds for other transfers.

if he were to leave id personally look at simon kjaer and have both danes playing alongside each other. or try and pluck a gem from somewhere in europe similar to kompany and the likes.

i don't think he's having a pop at kenny at all or anything like that. not gonna hold a grudge against him for saying theres been offers on the table. its simple, offer him a new contract for what we feel he is worth. if he doesn't want it then he doesn't have to be here. just let him go... simple



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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
I think Rodgers might prefer Coates over Skrtel anyway - more comfortable on the ball. Kelly and Wilson might get a look in too - then there's Wisdom. I'd rather sell Skrtel than Carroll!


That's ridiculous. Next you'll be asking for BR to get the sack and Mr Grimsdale to be appointed in his place whistle


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redordead13 #251089 19/07/12 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: redordead13
[Gerrard was thinking of leaving when we were among the best of the league,

We were 5th in the league

Lucas21 #251094 19/07/12 04:51 PM
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Carroll the centre back???





lol

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"Don't leave Martin!!!"

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Lucas21 #251101 19/07/12 06:02 PM
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20m for skittles, then newcastle gives us 10m and coloccini for carroll..we spend 30m+ on dzagoev,allen and dempsey. best summer transfers ever.

EMP #251119 19/07/12 06:48 PM
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FSG give him his pay rise or it will be further evidence LFC are just a stepping stone for players with ambition....your call.

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