Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred


1. No one said he was rubbish. They were saying his finishing last year for Liverpool was. And it was.

2. He was a poor finisher for Liverpool last year despite some wonder goals.

I don't care if he's banging them in for his country or if he did for his club prior to Liverpool. The discussion was his finishing last year for Liverpool. Which was poor.


I know, I was referring only to his finishing. And no I don't think he was poor. But this goes back to the same argument I've had with you and others. I don't think we had that many good chances, despite what the stats say, and I don't think he was poor at finishing either. I don't believe in coincidences, and everyone being poor at finishing for this club indicates that it wasn't really that Suarez was poor at finishing, but the way we played.

I stand by what I said. He's a good finisher, and I think we'll see that this season.


I also think he's a good finisher. You can see that for previous club and country. I also think he should be better this season. But I think you need to re watch some of the sitters he missed. He had a massive step up in terms of keepers from dutch league to our league (I personally think whilst Spain and Italy have top keepers at top clubs, when comparing the rest of the teams in our league with the rest in theirs, the keeper standard is far superior). Honestly he missed so many GOOD chances. Not just things he created for himself and speculative shots from a distance. In fact it was well reported after nearly every game how he spurned chances (obviously at times he finished well, but over the course of the season he missed absolutely way too many good chances).


Well this is fair point, and I'm not saying he didn't miss chances. I just have a different view on it to most. I agree the popular perception as that he was missing chances.

Thing is with reporting and fans and the view of spurned chances. Case A, Suarez gets one good chance a game, and he scores 50%. Then in all those games where he didn't score and we lost or drew, they will talk about spurned chances and fans will think that too, what if he'd took that chance etc. Fans don't think that when you create loads of chances and win 4-0, it's only when you're struggling, which we were all season. Case B, he gets 2 good chances a game, and still scores 50% of them, suddenly now, he's scoring all the time and the view is that he's not spurning chances. This view is even stronger if we're winning most of the time. But his finishing hasn't changed. He's taking exactly the same number of chances.

I know perhaps this isn't the best explanation of my point, but I feel general perception is really dependent on the overall team results, and not actually on the real performance of the player. People see us struggling to score, they look at who has the most chances, and that's the target. IN reality he was one of our best players last year.



Very good point re: fans/media perception. No one would have jumped on it if we were winning games left right and centre. It became an issue because it was an issue due to the fact we were drawing every week despite sometimes quite dominant performances.

The only thing I'd say is that his finishing percentage was very poor, which is surprising considering his stats at previous club and for Uruguay. Very difficult to come up for an explanation for that bar maybe it was the tactics or maybe it was the step up in Keeper.

Obviously having more people (and more gifted people) in and around the box will help him have less to worry about and more time/composure to pick a spot. I'm not too worried about I'm quite confident his finishing will be better than last year. Also I totally agree he was one of our best players last season. Without a shadow of a doubt. And so too, i agree with the fact that there could quite easily be reasons why his finishing wasn't as good as it should/could have been last season. But I'd say that doesn't detract from the fact that his finishing was poor last season. (last point not aimed at you rafa, was aimed at the guy who was going on about jacksies for some weird reason).