KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Andy Carroll was a dead man walking from the start.

Andy Carroll has already shown he cannot do that. He cannot play a bit part. He needs to play a decent amount of minutes every week otherwise he's absolutely sh!te. We have already learnt this we don't need to learn it again.

The criticism with the Arsenal has been more or less that they don't have any enforcers - more so in the middle of the park where we have Lucas & Stevie at the moment (you could add the likes of Skrtel / Agger and once upon a time Carra to that list)

They never really did replace Viera.

I'm not to really fussed if Carroll is considered a failure at LFC should he be moved on - to me it's a matter of horses for courses, doesn't mean he's a bad player because the style of play wasn't suited to him.
Keeping him and not playing him week in, week out would be a case of cutting off our nose to spite our face. Either play him or ship him out.

I'd prefer he worked his socks off and became a success, plied his trade at Liverpool for years to come. I just don't know if that's a reality or not..

It's not just Carroll that would be considered the failure though. The club would be too. More damage on our reputation. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'd just like to see it work out at Liverpool for AC.

I don't think he can expect to play week in week out. It wasn't long ago that people used to say top clubs needed 4 good strikers. They can't all play week in week out. I just hope that LFC coaching staff has the ability to mould and nurture AC into someone who can contribute without having to play every week. At least enough so that if we do sell him we get at least £20m to £25m.

There are people that tell us to forget Carolls price tag, however if we want to loan him out to another team, the same people say why loan a man bought for 35m. In my opinion he still has a chance to redeem himself, I think a loan to a club like AC Milan will help him rediscover his form.

Bit of a lose lose situation unless he comes good then...



1.) We sell him - we look bad (I don't agree with this at all)

2.) We keep him and he doesn't set the world on fire - we look bad for not taking it on the chin and making a loss. We would appear weak and not having the balls to just rip the band aid off and get it over and done with.

Smacks of Kenny sticking by his signings when they clearly weren't working (some in the wrong positions) But do you see what I'm getting at???


Just to reiterate, I do want him to come good and be a success with us - I'm just trying to rationalise a little..

Spot on fella!

i like carroll too and i think he can fit into the system. danny graham was a target man at swansea so if he can improve his game, with rodgers' back of nurturing players along then i don't see why he can't become an important part of the team.

i think the main difference between bent and carroll tho was that bent (before his transfer) was actually banging them in. he was playing in that front 3 of BENT, GYAN and WELBECK at the time, back when bruce had them playing good football.

will he be guaranteed a first team place at AC Milan tho? its taken him long enough to find any sort of form at Liverpool, is going to a new country, learning a new language/lifestyle/culture going to help him? if he was to be loaned out id personally prefer him to go to a club like west ham where they will deploy him with all his strengths in mind. i hate sam allardyce but the football he plays would suit carroll down to the ground and he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet. linking up with his good mate kevin nolan who he seemed to have a great partnership with at Newcastle would be ideal for him and premiership experience would be ideal for us

just read on sky that ac will reluctantly go out on loan if he isnt goin to get game time, i no its all paper talk but id like the club to come out and say something either way id love him to stay but i can see him going out on loan,i would of thought he would be a good option to change our style if things arnt goin right on the pitch.

Don't know what will happen to Carroll but whatever it is,he must not be loaned to AC.I wouldn't give them the wind of my fart after what they done to us over AA.They got £51 million for two sales and apparently took E100 million off their wage bill through these yet they still do not want to slash the cash