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Originally Posted By: Pops
He's still a bit of a diamond in the rough. But he certainly looks like a handful.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu_WlF5Pa90

Yeah he is Pops, he could do with a bit of polish alright ...looking at that video, however he has the aggression and he doesn't chicken out on the hard tackles, plus he has attacking instincts, all things we badly need to compliment Suarez up front. If he can transfer all those attributes to the PL he will be a good addition to our attacking options. At 21 years he has obvious potential and could well develop into a top class player, all in all I think it's a good punt by BR at the reported price.

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I think we need a goalscorer to play up front with Borini, if we are going to play a high pressing game and be creating plenty of chances then we need someone who will put the finishing touches on, both Carroll and Suarez are rubbish at that we need better.

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Are you back already wink

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Suarez is rubbish? Haha wow.

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Originally Posted By: redordead13
Suarez is rubbish? Haha wow.


I think he said Suarez was rubbish at finishing last year. And whilst he scored some incredible goals, his finishing was all in all, poor, last year. Completely fair comment.

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Poor finisher. That hatrick he just got for uraguay was very sloppy.

And the time he got FIVE goals for uraguay should have been two more

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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
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Suarez is rubbish? Haha wow.


I think he said Suarez was rubbish at finishing last year. And whilst he scored some incredible goals, his finishing was all in all, poor, last year. Completely fair comment.
Thank you, I think 15 goals all season with three coming against the mighty Norwich clearly summs up just how good at finishing he is, even Grant Holt, Yakubu and Papa Cisse who only played half a season outscored him, he is very good with his approach play but he's woeful in front of goal.

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We were collectively awful at finishing last year. You can't really argue against that. We had the second-highest Shots on Target/Goals ratio in the entire league last year, behind only Wigan. And we had the worst Total Shots/Goals ratio in the entire league.

Here's a link to the statistics: http://www.eplindex.com/8622/opta-stats-hot-shots-premier-league.html

Luis Suarez was the prime culprit. He is an incredible player and a creative force, but he is woeful in front of goal at times. Yes, every now and again he'll have a game where he scores 3, 4, or even 5. But he is not the kind of player that will convert every chance he gets. In fact, he's quite the opposite. Luis averaged 4.2 shots per game last year - the third highest in the league. Obviously he was nowhere near the top of the scoring charts, so that alone shows that he's more than a little wasteful. But he also had a shots/goals ratio of a massive 15.8. To put it in perspective, Rooney's shots/goal ratio at United is 7.5, while van Persie's is 6.5. Luis is a phenomenal player and we're lucky to have him, but we need to recognize that he's just not a great finisher. That's why we bought Borini!


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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
He's not rubbish though, he's an excellent finisher.


1. No one said he was rubbish. They were saying his finishing last year for Liverpool was. And it was.

2. He was a poor finisher for Liverpool last year despite some wonder goals.

I don't care if he's banging them in for his country or if he did for his club prior to Liverpool. The discussion was his finishing last year for Liverpool. Which was poor.

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He's not rubbish though, he's an excellent finisher.


1. No one said he was rubbish. They were saying his finishing last year for Liverpool was. And it was.

2. He was a poor finisher for Liverpool last year despite some wonder goals.

I don't care if he's banging them in for his country or if he did for his club prior to Liverpool. The discussion was his finishing last year for Liverpool. Which was poor.


I know, I was referring only to his finishing. And no I don't think he was poor. But this goes back to the same argument I've had with you and others. I don't think we had that many good chances, despite what the stats say, and I don't think he was poor at finishing either. I don't believe in coincidences, and everyone being poor at finishing for this club indicates that it wasn't really that Suarez was poor at finishing, but the way we played.

I stand by what I said. He's a good finisher, and I think we'll see that this season.


I also think he's a good finisher. You can see that for previous club and country. I also think he should be better this season. But I think you need to re watch some of the sitters he missed. He had a massive step up in terms of keepers from dutch league to our league (I personally think whilst Spain and Italy have top keepers at top clubs, when comparing the rest of the teams in our league with the rest in theirs, the keeper standard is far superior). Honestly he missed so many GOOD chances. Not just things he created for himself and speculative shots from a distance. In fact it was well reported after nearly every game how he spurned chances (obviously at times he finished well, but over the course of the season he missed absolutely way too many good chances).

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