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He's using stats to try and back his opinion, however the fact of the matter is, stats for certain things, do not paint the actual picture.
It was laughable to see carheex compare Ibrahimovic to Carroll. Comparing them both at this point, a seasoned 30 year old striker, to a 23 year old striker with 1 season in the Prem. 1 season people like him keep banging on about not showing it for long enough and why did we sign him of the back of 1 season? etc etc
If you actually compare both of them at the same points in their career, when the comparison is relevant, you will actually find that they were not to dissimilar and the stats are virtually identical.
Also, look at Drogba's first season.
Carroll was being poorly managed all season, amongst other things, poor service, partly down to him also, but it hindered his overall output and shine last season. At the end of the season, when they started managing him better, he started getting more confidence and playing better. That is undeniable by even the most deluded fan.
But carheex would also bash on Kenny to, but bash on Carroll as if they didnt even co-exist at the club.
Anything that gives him an erection I guess? I thought you said stats didn't paint the whole picture! You can't criticise me for using a few simple stats and then use them yourself to try and prove a point. What a goon you are!! And why on earth are you talking about erections????
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Its how you use them. If you use them correctly whilst looking at the bigger picture, they can be credible. I didn't disregard them in my post, I'm saying that you use them to back up your own most singular opinions, when most of the time, it actually paints a totally different picture as flames already said.
If you actually read what people say (you have a hard time doing it) you will notice that I compared Carroll and Ibrahimovic, when Ibrahimovic was in the same part of his career, as Carroll. Thats when a proper realistic comparison can be made, at similar ages, similar points.
You tried to say Ibrahimovic was light years ahead of Carroll and then used last seasons stats to back it up. But your comparing (I'll say it again) a 30 year old seasoned striker who has played in a number of leagues for 12 years. To a 23 year old striker of similar stature, who has played for 5 years at the "highest level."
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I can barely remember the original ibrahimovic discussion, let alone be bothered to go over it again. I'm sure you've taken it out of context though - despite what you and your feeble cohort cjkent are harping on about I actually don't rely on stats to form an opinion. My biggest concern with carroll is his lack of footballing ability other than heading.
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Yesterday I was a "Tw@", today I'm a "goon" and your accusing me of things I haven't said. Proving to me, you haven't really read what was said, but reading into things what you want them to be. Funnily enough, that happened before as well with you, in a far more serious accusation than just stats of football players.
But I shall not go into that, because it was deeply offending.
Yet apparently you have done nothing wrong on these forums, and I give it "but dont take it".
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I can barely remember the original ibrahimovic discussion, let alone be bothered to go over it again. I'm sure you've taken it out of context though - despite what you and your feeble cohort cjkent are harping on about I actually don't rely on stats to form an opinion. My biggest concern with carroll is his lack of footballing ability other than heading. He's nutmegged John Terry and torn Manchester City apart. Not too many players that have the footballing ability to do that. He's a lot more mobile than people give him credit for, and his hold up play as of late has been great. Sometimes he as a really great touch on the ball (though sometimes is isn't), and based on what I've seen, I think he may be able to do it. I don't know that he will, but he could. He's scored goals with that left peg of his before. He had a rough start and we overpaid for him. Ok, nothing we can do about that. But why ship him off just as he's beginning to find his feet?
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I can barely remember the original ibrahimovic discussion, let alone be bothered to go over it again. I'm sure you've taken it out of context though - despite what you and your feeble cohort cjkent are harping on about I actually don't rely on stats to form an opinion. My biggest concern with carroll is his lack of footballing ability other than heading. and torn Manchester City apart. Not too many players that have the footballing ability to do that. He's a lot more mobile than people give him credit for, and his hold up play as of late has been great. Sometimes he as a really great touch on the ball (though sometimes is isn't), and based on what I've seen, I think he may be able to do it. I don't know that he will, but he could. He's scored goals with that left peg of his before. He had a rough start and we overpaid for him. Ok, nothing we can do about that. But why ship him off just as he's beginning to find his feet? Close the thread - I'm now convinced that AC is worth every penny of his £35m fee and no way should we be even thinking about getting rid of him! Just because he scored 2 goals against man city it does NOT mean he 'tore them apart'! what planet are you on????
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Keep this thread going. We are over 20 pages into it and we are still talking about the title of the thread. That must be a record on here 
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Has anyone bid for henderson yet......? ;-)
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Yeah he's going to Inter along with Carroll 
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...as what? a translator?
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