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No - that would simply mean he had purple patch in his career. As I've said already, judging someone on a short period of time doesn't give a particulalry accurate reflection. Many strikers have these little patches once or twice on their career but that doesn't mean they deserve a place at LFC. Sure. Likewise, judging him based on him being in and out of a failing team with a manager that isn't very good doesn't give an accurate reflection. The jury is definitely still out on Carroll. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if we sold him and he succeeded brilliantly It would surprise me if he did 'brilliantly'. He's got certain attributes that may help him to do a decent enough job at a smaller club though. He'll be off to Fulham in a px pretty soon anyway.
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Can anyone tell me why Carroll shouldn't be given one more year? He surely can't have a worse season than last and is still very young so can't really diminish in value during that time.
He has just started to show great form, doesn't he deserve a chance to show that he can play that way more consistently? Wouldn't we be happy with that?
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What would his stats for the last 10 games hes played in be? These are the important ones as they are the ones he showed good form and energy. Whilst I agree Carroll is better than his year with us, and Carheex's words, would suggest, in fact wherever he goes I think he will be a roaring success and probably regularly bang them in against us, this comment is ridiculous; "These are the important ones" what because they are the ones that back up your point? No, that isn't how stats work. The whole year worth of stats are the 'important ones'. If you only show good form and energy for 10 (actually it was less than 10 he did it for) games then that's not good enough. You can't just isolate those 10 and pretend that means he will be like that for all of next season. Also, this rubbish about he didn't get games. He got enough games while Suarez was out and didn't perform anywhere near good enough. Not even close. So that's just rubbish in my opinion. But Like I said I think he does have the mobility in him to play like Danny Graham, they have a lot of similar attributes. I don't think that will be the best for Carroll as he will bang them in more for teams who suit him better, but I think he could play for us and be a bit of a success. no these are the important ones because they are the most recent games he played in. They are the most relevant to his current situation as he will have a full preseason and his fitness will be far higher going into this season than last. He struggled with injury when he first came here and didn't have a full preseason and struggled with fitness which was apparent immediately. He also had an attitude problem when it came to drinking but he seems to have calmed that down a fair bit and his performances and fitness have definitely improved. He got a run of games when Suarez was out but it was working his way back to match fitness over those 8 games.
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Well, I'd love to say we'll have to wait and see but I don't think we'll get the chance. I'm confident that BR doesn't see AC as a good enough player, regardless of the stats, to play for Liverpool unless our ambition is mid table.
Let's forget about his goals and just look at his gameplay. People seem to think that running around, charging into people, giving the ball away, conceding freekicks and being all over the place is a sign of 'hardwork'. It isn't.
I have nothing against him personally and think he'll do well at a lower level. I just don't think he's anywhere near good enough for LFC. (same goes for henderson). He doesn't just run around and I think with the new formation he'll be instructed to be a lot closer to goal at all times. He is able to hold the ball up well and some of the games at the euros he would collect the ball and lay it out the wings to a man in space. He can do similar as a front man for us. I think we should have different options in the attack so if we sell Carroll and get Borini in, we still only have 2 strikers who play similar roles. Carroll, Suarez and Borini could all offer us something different and I'd like to have all three at the club
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Well, I'd love to say we'll have to wait and see but I don't think we'll get the chance. I'm confident that BR doesn't see AC as a good enough player, regardless of the stats, to play for Liverpool unless our ambition is mid table.
Let's forget about his goals and just look at his gameplay. People seem to think that running around, charging into people, giving the ball away, conceding freekicks and being all over the place is a sign of 'hardwork'. It isn't.
I have nothing against him personally and think he'll do well at a lower level. I just don't think he's anywhere near good enough for LFC. (same goes for henderson). He doesn't just run around and I think with the new formation he'll be instructed to be a lot closer to goal at all times. He is able to hold the ball up well and some of the games at the euros he would collect the ball and lay it out the wings to a man in space. He can do similar as a front man for us. I think we should have different options in the attack so if we sell Carroll and get Borini in, we still only have 2 strikers who play similar roles. Carroll, Suarez and Borini could all offer us something different and I'd like to have all three at the club This would make the most sense to me. Andy Carroll would give 99% of teams a very different dimension, surely that's a good thing?
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The trouble is, in 2011 AC had the worst conversion ratio in the country. To me, that, couple with his poor goal return overall shows that he isn't a 'finisher' which is what BR's team will require if he implements a similar plan as that used by Swansea.
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again with the pointless stats
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so very pointless.
sport stats are clung to by those who cannot read a game and dont understand sport and its many factors. stats on strikers dont take into account supply to striker/ morale at the club/ system being played/ coaching/ instruction being given.... to name but sa few.
with that said if BR feels andy needs to go he needs to go, but im sure he didnt decide off a spreadsheet. more likely he used the magic of sight.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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Personally I think BR wants Carroll out of Liverpool FC for at least 1 to 2 years if not forever.
Why ?
(1) BR did not sign AC
(2) BR does not want to be asked every week WHY he didn't play AC
(3) AC does not fis his style of play
(4) BR being asked why he didn't bring on AC or that her hasn't played in 4 or 5 games for LFC - IT IS A HUGE DISTRACTION and BR wants RID of the Kenny Dalglish 35M Monkey.
I am sure BR has said to FSG that he likes AC but he has to go to allow him a clean slate to start with a FRESH and CLEAN sheet.
5 TIMES
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he may do but i rather it was due to Rodgers didn't want him than carheex endless stats that
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