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I don't agree. Judging players on short term form is disastrous and possibly the main reason we paid such a ludicrous fee for him in the first place. He needs to be assessed based on a whole year ideally, hence the above. A year gives a better reflection than a season as it show they are less likely to be a one season wonder.

But according to your stats drogba was worse than carroll

Is drogba worse than caroll ?

He didn't get a full year though to play consistent games where he played the majority of them. Instead he was playing bit part roles for large parts of the season and couldn't get into rhythm or form until the end of the season when he played well.

Why don't you judge on the time at Newcastle where he scored 11 goals in 19 games because he was fit and confident

no if you did that carheex would have to admit he is a good striker

He hasn't performed consistently to his potential yet but he showed a good consistent run of form approaching the end of last season and I think it would be bad to write him off based on his previous 6 months

Whilst I agree Carroll is better than his year with us, and Carheex's words, would suggest, in fact wherever he goes I think he will be a roaring success and probably regularly bang them in against us, this comment is ridiculous; "These are the important ones" what because they are the ones that back up your point? No, that isn't how stats work. The whole year worth of stats are the 'important ones'. If you only show good form and energy for 10 (actually it was less than 10 he did it for) games then that's not good enough. You can't just isolate those 10 and pretend that means he will be like that for all of next season.

Also, this rubbish about he didn't get games. He got enough games while Suarez was out and didn't perform anywhere near good enough. Not even close. So that's just rubbish in my opinion.

But Like I said I think he does have the mobility in him to play like Danny Graham, they have a lot of similar attributes. I don't think that will be the best for Carroll as he will bang them in more for teams who suit him better, but I think he could play for us and be a bit of a success.

Agreed these stats are a bit removed from the whole picture and don't tell the full story. But Andy Carroll did have a terrible season. Those stats aren't needed. That doesn't necessarily mean he will next season, but Carroll was one of the worst strikers in the top half of the league last season, if not THE worst (2 games doesn't save 20+).

Completely disagree with you on "defensive football" we played last year though. We played plenty of good football, and had plenty of good chances, and Suarez' conversion rate was absolutely dreadful as was Carroll's. Neither were good enough.

On that point, if Suarez started converting more opportunities for us, he would be right up there in the 2nd tier of world's current best players (Ronaldo and Messi being in the top tier that no one can touch at the moment).

No - that would simply mean he had purple patch in his career. As I've said already, judging someone on a short period of time doesn't give a particulalry accurate reflection. Many strikers have these little patches once or twice on their career but that doesn't mean they deserve a place at LFC.

Well, I'd love to say we'll have to wait and see but I don't think we'll get the chance. I'm confident that BR doesn't see AC as a good enough player, regardless of the stats, to play for Liverpool unless our ambition is mid table.
Let's forget about his goals and just look at his gameplay. People seem to think that running around, charging into people, giving the ball away, conceding freekicks and being all over the place is a sign of 'hardwork'. It isn't.
I have nothing against him personally and think he'll do well at a lower level. I just don't think he's anywhere near good enough for LFC. (same goes for henderson).

I agree we didn't get enough in the box most of the time. Without a doubt that's true. But that was the midfielders not supporting. But they wern't being defensive, they just took up poor attacking positions. In no way was our football defensive for most of last season in my opinion. Also I totally agree suarez for previous club and Uruguay has amazing scoring stats, but I think your fundamentally wrong about our 'type' of chances. If you look through chances he missed, he missed some absolute fuc!ing sitters on many many occaisions last season. Carroll less so but he still missed sitters. We created lots of quality chances we didn't put away.