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I understand that loaning out isn't ideal but if he isn't required AND no one is prepared to stump up a transfer fee, then a loan is the best option. What do we have to lose? If he demonstrates quality and consistency at west ham we can bring him back....or they'd buy him outright. If he doesn't deliver the goods for west ham, at least we haven't paid his wages for the season.
If we keep him and don't use him, we've wasted £35m plus (say)£5m a year on wages. If we loan him out until his contract expires, we've 'only' lost £35m. Not ideal, but what else can we do?
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I think that the way Rodgers wants to play will mean that there is no place for a big target man irrespective of how well he plays. The way forward will be on mobility. Spain don't use a big centre forward and nor do Barcelona and Rodgers appears to be looking to emulate some of their success.
What I don't like is the way some of this is being handled. Poor Carroll is being traded round like a piece of meat first by the media and now by the club and the fans. Whatever the outcome I wish him all the best as he has been patient in winning over a lot of people.
I cannot see why we would contemplate loaning him out to a Prem league club. I mean whoever heard of a £35m player going on loan? How much more pressure do people want to put him under? And a loan to Italy, what would that do? Might raise his profile but nobody will come knocking our door down to buy him for over £20m come next summer unless he scores 30 goals.
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Loaning him to West Ham would be ok , but sending him to spurs and seeing the big man click at a bloody rival team , who is gona challenge us for forth is just stupid .
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I think that the way Rodgers wants to play will mean that there is no place for a big target man irrespective of how well he plays. The way forward will be on mobility. Spain don't use a big centre forward and nor do Barcelona and Rodgers appears to be looking to emulate some of their success.
What I don't like is the way some of this is being handled. Poor Carroll is being traded round like a piece of meat first by the media and now by the club and the fans. Whatever the outcome I wish him all the best as he has been patient in winning over a lot of people.
I cannot see why we would contemplate loaning him out to a Prem league club. I mean whoever heard of a £35m player going on loan? How much more pressure do people want to put him under? And a loan to Italy, what would that do? Might raise his profile but nobody will come knocking our door down to buy him for over £20m come next summer unless he scores 30 goals. Kenny started it! Didn't he try and swap him for Tevez less than a year after splashing out all that money on him? Players who are 'worth' £35m don't go out on loan. Carroll isn't, wasn't and never will be worth that kind of money or anywhere close to it. He's actually a £6-£7m player possibly going out on loan.
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No Swansea didn't have a direct big man. I keep hearing that. It's BS.
Swansea didn't play one dimensional with a 4-3-3 and Danny Graham is 6'1 and more mobile.
Did I say direct big one? No. Read things twice and it will stop you looking silly. Carroll was more mobile at newcastle than he has been last year. He has the big man mobility in him.
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Yeah, and he's looked more like that towards the end of the season and in England.
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I think that the way Rodgers wants to play will mean that there is no place for a big target man irrespective of how well he plays. The way forward will be on mobility. Spain don't use a big centre forward and nor do Barcelona and Rodgers appears to be looking to emulate some of their success.
What I don't like is the way some of this is being handled. Poor Carroll is being traded round like a piece of meat first by the media and now by the club and the fans. Whatever the outcome I wish him all the best as he has been patient in winning over a lot of people.
I cannot see why we would contemplate loaning him out to a Prem league club. I mean whoever heard of a £35m player going on loan? How much more pressure do people want to put him under? And a loan to Italy, what would that do? Might raise his profile but nobody will come knocking our door down to buy him for over £20m come next summer unless he scores 30 goals. Kenny started it! Didn't he try and swap him for Tevez less than a year after splashing out all that money on him? Players who are 'worth' £35m don't go out on loan. Carroll isn't, wasn't and never will be worth that kind of money or anywhere close to it. He's actually a £6-£7m player possibly going out on loan. Dalglish never tried to swap Caroll for Tevez, you reading from the Sun, while smoking pot again.
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And whats with this fascination of how 'Barcelona' or 'Spain' play, so what if they dont play a target man, if we have to we will im sure it will work out fine. Think Gomez.
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Did I say direct big one? No. Read things twice and it will stop you looking silly. Carroll was more mobile at newcastle than he has been last year. He has the big man mobility in him. I'd sell him for 20 million so we could go out and get someone who fits the system a bit better (Though Swansea did have a big man last year despite what people say). Still here? If you read again, I referred to people who are saying that Swansea had a "big man"...when they clearly didn't. Danny Graham played in the centre of a mobile front 3. He is 6'1 I believe? Am I missing something? Were Caulker and Williams playing up front? Did they sign Jan Koller? Nikola Zigic? Peter Crouch? Andy Carroll from us? Didier Drogba?
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I think that the way Rodgers wants to play will mean that there is no place for a big target man irrespective of how well he plays. The way forward will be on mobility. Spain don't use a big centre forward and nor do Barcelona and Rodgers appears to be looking to emulate some of their success.
What I don't like is the way some of this is being handled. Poor Carroll is being traded round like a piece of meat first by the media and now by the club and the fans. Whatever the outcome I wish him all the best as he has been patient in winning over a lot of people.
I cannot see why we would contemplate loaning him out to a Prem league club. I mean whoever heard of a £35m player going on loan? How much more pressure do people want to put him under? And a loan to Italy, what would that do? Might raise his profile but nobody will come knocking our door down to buy him for over £20m come next summer unless he scores 30 goals. Kenny started it! Didn't he try and swap him for Tevez less than a year after splashing out all that money on him? Players who are 'worth' £35m don't go out on loan. Carroll isn't, wasn't and never will be worth that kind of money or anywhere close to it. He's actually a £6-£7m player possibly going out on loan. Dalglish never tried to swap Caroll for Tevez, you reading from the Sun, while smoking pot again. Yes he did. And no I'm not.
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