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Rewind to page 11 - you said that Andy Carroll cost us approx twice his actual value (or words to that effect). Initially, my response about the £15m vaulation should have been to someone else (apologies). However, if you refer to your comment re: the above, you clearly think he's worth more than £15m so don't try to defend it!
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yeah no player picks on what they are bought and sold at
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'Tw@', is the only kind of response the above comment in bold deserves.
AC was our best player in the cup final - but he was the best of a bad bunch
AC also played well in the followng game against chelsea - but they had bigger fish to fry.
I agree with you that he looked better for the last few months of the season - that is WHY i put him at £6m, otherwise you can half that. A handful of good games does not equate to a £15m valuation.
His goals:games ratio has gone downhill though. He scored 2 in 7 in his first 6 months, which dropped to 4 in 35 in the following 9 months. That is a factoid! But but but but but. If you keep it up carheex, I'm sure you could set up a "I Hate Andy Carroll" campaign for yourself. Last night on talksport, when they were talking about Andy Carroll going out on loan, lots of callers, supporters of different clubs, West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal etc etc, were phoning in who'd gladly take him. It was a majority to. Just one or two called in to say no, because they think he is over rated. Just one or two out of about 25 odd.
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i wonder if the willingness to let him go on loan is due to the fact that we didn't actually pay anything for him. chelsea actually bought him, i know its 35m but it was theirs . So fsg didn't have to find 35 m for him and are willing to cut him free if BR doesn't see him fitting in
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Rewind to page 11 - you said that Andy Carroll cost us approx twice his actual value (or words to that effect). Initially, my response about the £15m vaulation should have been to someone else (apologies). However, if you refer to your comment re: the above, you clearly think he's worth more than £15m so don't try to defend it! yes at the time that we bought him,he was probably worth about 15-18 million and I stand by that valuation. Do you disagree? I have at no point given him a current valuation other than to say that he's worth more than 6mil Rewind to page 10 when you first said I valued him at 15mil before my quote. I think you might be wrong in this case...Apologies myself, I didn't see the bit about you referring to someone else there
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Carroll wasn't even that great bar one game maybe two so coming good might be a bit strong to describe him. I don't think there was really enough improvement to suggest he should definitely stay.
I'd sell him for 20 million so we could go out and get someone who fits the system a bit better (Though Swansea did have a big man last year despite what people say).
I definitely think Rodgers would look to get rid if he could get 20 mill+ (anything less and I don't think the owners will sell), I don't think he can play bit part off the bench. We have seen he will play terribly to the point he's better off not here unless he gets enough game time, so there is no point in keeping him as a plan B in my mind. It won't be good for him if nothing else.
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No Swansea didn't have a direct big man. I keep hearing that. It's BS.
Swansea didn't play one dimensional with a 4-3-3 and Danny Graham is 6'1 and more mobile.
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i don't expect us to play exactly like Swansea
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So are you saying Danny Graham has more technical ability than CArroll and is faster than him? With the way Rodgers plays, yes. Carroll is more of a target man than Danny Graham and I keep hearing people say, "Swansea played with a target man" What? A 6'1 target man? It would not surprise if Carroll was flogged for a more mobile player that will fit into his 4-3-3. Carroll can be just as good if you play to his strengths, but I cant see us catering for one, humping it long, and sticking early crosses in all the time........can you? If Carroll goes elsewhere to a team that recognize his ability, support him, stick an arm around him, he will flourish. He COULD be that player for us though. But I doubt he ever will now.
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The bottom line is, we've got a £6-£7m striker on our books that cost us a british transfer record....for us to sell him for £35m he would need to be a hell of a lot better than he is as the only clubs who could afford him would be expecting a lot more for their money than 4 goals in 35 league games. There are plenty of clubs who would want this type of player but they would only be willing to pay what he's worth, ie around £6m - therefore a loan is the ONLY option i can think of. Kenny has really screwed us with his transfers. You're right, it's not Brendan's fault. I too would value him at around 15m though. Any young forward who goes to the euros with England and scores and plays like he did in one game is never going to be worth less than 10m. El Hadj Diouf was valued 11m just for one fancy turn and a goal. And that was years ago, prices have risen, and England players have a premium. He has 9 goals in 47 appearances, many of them as a sub, so those stats make him look worse than he is, as did Kenny awful tactics. But what I really wanted to argue with is your idea that loaning him out is going to save us money. It won't at all. I don't think he's on 4m a year wages, I'd say he's on quite a lot less. But if he is on that, I can't see West Ham paying that much in wages anyway, so the saving on wages will be a lot less. Then there's the more significant part. If he goes, someone else has to come in, that's a first team striker. We will have to pay a fee of around 10m, and wages that are similar to Carrolls anyway. If that doesn't work after one year, we'll have to do the same and sign another one, but now we've got two lumps to get rid of. 35m over a 5 year contract, is us signing a player for 7m every year. We'll end up paying more for his replacement(s). English players only have this premium attached when being sold to other english clubs. So our best bet is to sell him to a foreign club as they are more likely to be quoted a price closer to his actual worth - but can you really see any european teams making a move for AC? That said, I can't see the board sanctioning his sale for anything less than say £25m - in other words we have but 2 options: play him or loan him out. Now, for a team of our stature with ambitions of getting back into the CL and with a manager whose philosophy is attractive, attacking football with a lot of possession......I don't see how AC fits in. West Ham have paid in excess of £75k a week on players previously so I think they could afford unburden for at least this season.
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