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agree with flames, have to trust BR on this one. If he doesn't fancy him he doesn't fancy him. Don't go for this plan B stuff. He only wants to play one way and I don't see how carroll can play in it, we would just lose the ball too much. If carroll goes and we get dempsey,allen and that borini fella then we will be much the better team for it.our line up would be lucas,allen,gerrard,suarez,borini,dempsey..no need for carroll then as we have shelvey,spearing,sterling,pacheco,henderson,maxi who can come in to and fill those positions also.
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i fear the reaper 
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I can't see Carroll leaving for less than 25mil. I think he'll be the central striker occasionally swapping for suarez up there but mostly flanked by two of Suarez/Downing/Sterling/Borini/Dempsey/Maxi/Cole. I reckon sending Sterling out on loan to Swansea as part of a deal for Allen might benefit all parties having a midfield trio comprised of Lucas/Allen/Gerrard/Henderson/Shelvey/Adam/Aqua?
I reckon we can sign Dempsey and Borini for a combined 15/16mil. Allen for another 6-8 mil which means we'd have to sell before we bought anymore. I can't see us generating much cash out of selling anyone bar Skrtel or Carroll so we mighn't be looking at too many more signings beyond that, possibly a free in the form of Hoillett
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Loaning him out is a mistake. If he doesn't fit into the system now, he never will. WHat is going to change that? And when was the last player who was loaned out, sold for 35m or anything approaching that? Why will his value suddenly shoot up if we loan him out? Didn't happen with Aquilani, doesn't happen with many. He'll have one less year on his contract, be one year older, both of which equal less value, and it'll be clear we don't want him...again less value. Loaning him out won't help, he'll contribute to another team, rather than us, and we'll reap no benefit. He's not useless, he can do well here. If he's ever going to fit into thi system, he needs to learn it and train with us for a long time.
Brendan is starting to make mistakes if he does this, and it's becoming a concern. I'm very excited by this talk of Carroll leaving the Anfield, even if it is only on loan initially. Kenny ballsed things up for us for the forseeable future by signing the big lump for £35m making any realistic sale highly unlikely. If he goes out on loan for a year it will save us between £3-£5m pounds which could go towards a decent player. I know AC started to make an effort towards the end of the season but his 4 league goals in 35 games, plus his bull-in-chinashop-chasing-a-headless-chicken approach to football means that he really isn't suited to playing quality football. I'll reiterate: 4 goals in 35 games (which is even worse than his record for us the previous season!!!)........is that going to be hard to replace?
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If Carroll is loaned I am willing to bet a shilling,an Aran jumper and a tin of Marrow Fat Peas that he has a stonker of a season with west Ham and fat sams dire brand of football,therefore his value will increase and Anzhi will offer a thousand million for him next season.
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agreed he is right up big sams street ..plus he couldn't play against us. be good for everyone.
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but i think a loan is silly
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A loan is perfect IF...BR has no plans for him. There's no point in him being at liverpool costing around £4m a year in wages if he's not playing. West Ham can't afford a reasonable enough fee for him. That's not to say he's a good player - although he cost us £35m, we aren't sending a £35m 'rated' striker out on loan. I was listening to a radio show this morning and it was riddled with moronic scousers phoning in expressing their disgust that Brendan is prepared to let a £35m striker go on loan to another club. The fee that kenny paid is no more Brendan's fault than it is Andy's.
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The bottom line is, we've got a £6-£7m striker on our books that cost us a british transfer record....for us to sell him for £35m he would need to be a hell of a lot better than he is as the only clubs who could afford him would be expecting a lot more for their money than 4 goals in 35 league games. There are plenty of clubs who would want this type of player but they would only be willing to pay what he's worth, ie around £6m - therefore a loan is the ONLY option i can think of. Kenny has really screwed us with his transfers.
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It is, loaning players on high wages just screws the club.... The Aquilani situation being a prime example!
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