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That would make the perfect team since adam is our alonso.

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I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks he is - but I understand where he's coming from.. the right players working together in the right positions and all've that..

We don't need 11 "superstars", just the odd talent & everyone else to keep it simple, working as a unit. Adam may well come good this season - quality player, just needs to know his limitations.

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No, not saying that at all, I don't think anybody is Pirlo, but Allen is definitely closer than anything we have at the moment.

We give away the ball so much in the middle, its no wonder we have fallen.

As proven by Paul Scholes, age really isn't a problem for a player like that, they barely have to run, they keep it simple, always pick the right pass, create space, comfortable on the ball and most importantly, want the ball.

We don't have that player, and haven't had it since Alonso or even Hamman. Lucas can do bits and bobs, and could replicate what we need IF he is pushed further forward. But at this moment in time we don't have that player and we are crying out for it.

If we do sign that player, crucial to Rodgers' philosophy, or Aquilani is given the ball, or Adam and Henderson are miracles overnight, then it can only be positive. But if we dont, then I dont think Rodgers' philosophy will work the way he wants it to.

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No, not saying that at all, I don't think anybody is Pirlo, but Allen is definitely closer than anything we have at the moment.

We give away the ball so much in the middle, its no wonder we have fallen.

As proven by Paul Scholes, age really isn't a problem for a player like that, they barely have to run, they keep it simple, always pick the right pass, create space, comfortable on the ball and most importantly, want the ball.


Pretty much the way I read it, couldn't agree more.

Lucas has become a hell of a stopper, but he's no Didi and no one's fooling themselves there - as long as he does his job, gets stuck in, lets the players play and plays the simple ball off to one of the playmakers / doesn't lose possession, then he ticks the box.

Where was I??? Too many tins here.... whistle

Ahhhhhh... Henderson!!!
This kid has so much potential, just a matter of playing him in his best position, whispering in his ear (ooohhh.. errrrrr whistle) telling him exactly where he needs to be and what his place is, build that confidence and we could well have a Didi / Parker type player on our hands... quality talent, just a little lost / over awed right now..

No, I didn't say he is as good as Didi or Parker, not exactly in the mould of either - just has that ability to become that safe, dependable, quiet midfielder that you only appreciate by his absence..

It's players like this that let the Suarez's / Ramirez's / Coles's / Gacia's if you like, play..

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Did agree with you there, the beer just took me off on a bit of a tangent.... whistle

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For some reason we want out midfielders to do all sorts of things, get forward, track back, close down, bust a gut for 90 minutes, and while all of thats absolutely fantastic, its absolutely useless if when the ball comes to the player, they panic and [oops] themselves. Last year, we had PLENTY of those in the middle of the park. And it will take some of those to book their ideas up and a signing or two to come in a apply whats necessary straight away for Rodgers philosophy to manifest.

Cole and Aquilani could flourish, Suso and Sterling could also, and I think Rodgers will be looking to bring them in this season.

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Everyone has their own role and I'm a big fan of that - I don't care if a striker / AM doesn't track back, as long as they do what's asked of them, creates - does the business at the right end of the pitch (ala Collymore)

These type of players will always be wasteful as they take chances that SHOULD pay off - and that's fine, as long as the percentages on the day / overall / end of the season are in their favour (ie. Suarez)

It's up to the rest of the lads to support and clean up - horses for courses, someone's gotta do the dirty work... un-sung heroes so to speak.. give the Ramerez's and the Suarez's the freedom to breathe, express and create..

Everyone else just keep it simple, keep it tight, keep the god damn ball... we all win or lose collectively.

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What were we talking about again???

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No, not saying that at all, I don't think anybody is Pirlo, but Allen is definitely closer than anything we have at the moment.

We give away the ball so much in the middle, its no wonder we have fallen.

As proven by Paul Scholes, age really isn't a problem for a player like that, they barely have to run, they keep it simple, always pick the right pass, create space, comfortable on the ball and most importantly, want the ball.


Pretty much the way I read it, couldn't agree more.

Lucas has become a hell of a stopper, but he's no Didi and no one's fooling themselves there - as long as he does his job, gets stuck in, lets the players play and plays the simple ball off to one of the playmakers / doesn't lose possession, then he ticks the box.

Where was I??? Too many tins here.... whistle

Ahhhhhh... Henderson!!!
This kid has so much potential, just a matter of playing him in his best position, whispering in his ear (ooohhh.. errrrrr whistle) telling him exactly where he needs to be and what his place is, build that confidence and we could well have a Didi / Parker type player on our hands... quality talent, just a little lost / over awed right now..

No, I didn't say he is as good as Didi or Parker, not exactly in the mould of either - just has that ability to become that safe, dependable, quiet midfielder that you only appreciate by his absence..

It's players like this that let the Suarez's / Ramirez's / Coles's / Gacia's if you like, play..



I think you do Lucas a huge injustice there.. he can certainly pick a good pass, we saw it a few times last season in fact before his injury.

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I stand corrected - but that's not his job & on the odd occasion it's a bonus (in my eyes)

As long as he passes it to a Red shirt I'm good - if he creates it's a bonus..

Let's seal the deal and get your man Ramirez in, the type of reckless, creative talent that we all want (and will no doubt debate about)

LET'S [oops] 'AVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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