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Just reading about the England squad it seems the preparation is spot on. In earlier tournaments there was indiscipline and wags etc. Then it went the other way in south Africa were the players were locked up and went stir crazy. By all accounts Roy’s preparations have been perfect with the players having some leeway and freedom but in no doubt of what is expected of them. And they have responded and responded well.

Whatever the result tomorrow night Roy can come back with his head held high he has done a great job. The players he has got are ok but nothing special but he has made best use of them and they seem to know what their role is. He is in my view a solid manager and I think he will do well for England for once the FA seem to have got it right.

When he was appointed Liverpool manager I thought it was a good move then 6 months into his reign I thought we had made a mistake. Then came the Dalglish era and worse was to follow and money not spent wisely as well. Looking back now I do feel Roy was treated harshly by us fans and I feel a bit ashamed collectively.

Had Roy stayed with us I think we at least would be where we are now and we certainly would have spent better and you never know he might have taken us forward.

I am happy with Brendan Rogers and in the circumstances think we have done the right thing but I feel we are no further on from when Benitez left in fact probably a bit worse. Two wasted years in my book.

But as a Liverpool fan I wish Roy well for England post the euro’s.


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Well play roy

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yes without a doubt roy has done great and does not deserve the stick he gets .

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Think Roy has done well given its such a poison chalice of a job.

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he's a good manager, and if he had time,money and sane fans ,he would have been alright for us. wrong man at the wrong club, at the wrong time.

still not sure on the ferdinand issue and if england had been hammerred he would have been over that.

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Collated stats around the web tell me that France were very unlucky against us; ditto Ukraine; - Sweden was more 50:50. Either way we need to improve. If you analysed Italian performances against ours we should get beat (but lets keep our fingers crossed). Thanking Roy? He says all the right things but ultimately he is limited by the restrictions he puts on his teams. He's someone that doesn't play football until we fall behind. Harry would have been far more fun and would have also had a happy England camp.

For LFC Roy is a big fat NO. He can get limited players working better as a unit. He does the same thing if he has world class players.

Against France.

Shots on Target: France 7 England 1
Shots off Target France 2 England 2
Corners France 11 England 4
Passing success rate France 91.7% England 83.2%
Possession France 65% England 35%
Total Passes France 654 England 345

Against Sweden

Shots on Target: Sweden 9 England 8
Shots off Target Sweden 3 England 6
Corners Sweden 3 England 3
Passing success rate France 80% England 83%
Possession France 50% England 50%

Against Ukraine

Shots on Target: Ukraine 5 England 4
Shots off Target Ukraine 11 England 5
Corners Ukraine 10 England 6
Possession Ukraine 58% England 42%

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I hope England win it out, sadly I think Italy will beat them, I like Roy but Ithink he is very limited as a coach, as time goes by I think his deficiencies as a coach wiill show and the pressure could be a real factor.


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Originally Posted By: Martinezmuststay
he's a good manager, and if he had time,money and sane fans ,he would have been alright for us. wrong man at the wrong club, at the wrong time.


No actually - just wrong man at Liverpool. No need to wax lyrical about a man who was hopelessly out of his depth and understood nothing about this football club.

I also hardly think that England reaching the quarter finals at the Euros is an achievement. They won a group consisting of France, Sweden, and the Ukraine, none of whom are especially good at football at the moment, but all of whom threatened to outplay 10-men-behind the ball England. Come now.

I agree with Rafarendum - if they get past Italy they will have achieved the minimum requirement for a manager of England. If they get past Germany as well, only then Roy will have justified some of the plaudits in this thread.

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he's a good manager, and if he had time,money and sane fans ,he would have been alright for us. wrong man at the wrong club, at the wrong time.


No actually - just wrong man at Liverpool. No need to wax lyrical about a man who was hopelessly out of his depth and understood nothing about this football club.

I also hardly think that England reaching the quarter finals at the Euros is an achievement. They won a group consisting of France, Sweden, and the Ukraine, none of whom are especially good at football at the moment, but all of whom threatened to outplay 10-men-behind the ball England. Come now.

I agree with Rafarendum - if they get past Italy they will have achieved the minimum requirement for a manager of England. If they get past Germany as well, only then Roy will have justified some of the plaudits in this thread.
I dont think he was hoplessly out of his depth at Liverpool as much as Dalglish was myself, that was the most desperate and embarrassing appointment in over 50 years.

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Maybe not. But Hodgson had us 12th, and no cups. Dalglish won a cup got to another final and got 8th. Of course Dalglish had more money to spend, so it's not clear either way.

Interesting to see the expectations of England this year. It seems to have been very low, and now lots more are behind them and thinking getting out of the groups is a job well done. Can't say I've ever seen such low expectations with England before. Might do them some good.

Facts prove Dalglish was the worst, Lowest goals, lowest points tally, lowest home wins in a season and poorest run of consecutive losses, there for all to see.

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