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gerrard is a great servant to LFC the best of his generation , but he is no different to cally or phil thompson who also were great servants to the club on and off the field .
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I agree he can't be considered one of the very best because he never did what he's done for us in another league, but Messi might never leave Barcelona and will always be considered one of the greats, just because he's playing in an amazing team and league in which 1 of 2 teams win it.
Pele's considered world class because he performed in a few world cups. Didn't even play in the best leagues. Zidane and Maradonna truely deserve it, but how many Liverpool great's got to play in a World Cup.
Like you say, it's all opinion but if it's just on league titles, Carrick, Park and O'Shea can be considered World Class. It's all how you judge ;world class' and Gerard for me is World Class due to the European and Cup triumphs, and consistently performing at a top level in the PL, though he's never really performed for England. Mind you, players like Xavi talk about SG and Scholes as true greats.
Shearer will always be regarded as one of the Premierships greatest goal scorers. He said afterward he's lived the dream, played for his boyhood club. Gerard's done the same and won a Champions League medal, along with a number of other medals and will retire a multi-millionaire. I'm not saying it won't hurt him not winning the league, but he's don well and that's not the be all and end all for every pro footballer.
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Ever since Pay Tv pumping loads of money into the big league players moved into those big more and more.
How come not many european or south american players want to move to any english team in the late 70s and the 80s??? No super stars in the continent want to come to Nott Forrest, they were twice european cup winners at the time. Some how loads of european and south american players are at Man City and Chelsea when chelsea only this won the UCL and Man City won the 1st Title in nearly 50 years. I do think players want to test themself against the best but money do make a big difference.
Steua Bucherest won the European Cup did any player at the time want to join them because there were the best team in Europe??
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Ever since Pay Tv pumping loads of money into the big league players moved into those big more and more.
How come not many european or south american players want to move to any english team in the late 70s and the 80s??? No super stars in the continent want to come to Nott Forrest, they were twice european cup winners at the time. Some how loads of european and south american players are at Man City and Chelsea when chelsea only this won the UCL and Man City won the 1st Title in nearly 50 years. I do think players want to test themself against the best but money do make a big difference.
Steua Bucherest won the European Cup did any player at the time want to join them because there were the best team in Europe?? welcome to koptalk and good post
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Ever since Pay Tv pumping loads of money into the big league players moved into those big more and more.
How come not many european or south american players want to move to any english team in the late 70s and the 80s??? No super stars in the continent want to come to Nott Forrest, they were twice european cup winners at the time. Some how loads of european and south american players are at Man City and Chelsea when chelsea only this won the UCL and Man City won the 1st Title in nearly 50 years. I do think players want to test themself against the best but money do make a big difference.
Steua Bucherest won the European Cup did any player at the time want to join them because there were the best team in Europe?? dont think many players moved from one continent to another in those days, travel is so much better and easier now so that makes a massive difference, money does play a part too
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Steven gerrard for me mate is world class just because hes not won any league title does not mean hes not world class i dont think there would of been many players to do what he did in istanbul and the fa cup in cardiff the year after hes won everything else at club football level and has been pivatol to all those cup wins as for him leaving to win a title else where it would mean nothing to him personally because he wanted at lfc and thats why he stayed hes an absolute legend end of. all about opinions, I just cant see how anyone can put him alongside players who have been it, seen it and done it especialy on more than one occasion, it's a bit like saying Gerrard is on the same level as Souness or Dalglish. I would be surprised if both Souness and Dalglish don't consider Stephen Gerrard a world class player, of course he is world class, not quite as good now as he was a couple of years ago but still an outstanding player. I don't accept the view that it is the honours or teams a player has been part of that defines his abilities. A player has to be judged on his own personal standard of play, over a reasonable time span to determine his quality, and by any yardstick SG passes that test with flying colours, and judged against any standard must be considered world class.
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Steven gerrard for me mate is world class just because hes not won any league title does not mean hes not world class i dont think there would of been many players to do what he did in istanbul and the fa cup in cardiff the year after hes won everything else at club football level and has been pivatol to all those cup wins as for him leaving to win a title else where it would mean nothing to him personally because he wanted at lfc and thats why he stayed hes an absolute legend end of. all about opinions, I just cant see how anyone can put him alongside players who have been it, seen it and done it especialy on more than one occasion, it's a bit like saying Gerrard is on the same level as Souness or Dalglish. I would be surprised if both Souness and Dalglish don't consider Stephen Gerrard a world class player, of course he is world class, not quite as good now as he was a couple of years ago but still an outstanding player. I don't accept the view that it is the honours or teams a player has been part of that defines his abilities. A player has to be judged on his own personal standard of play, over a reasonable time span to determine his quality, and by any yardstick SG passes that test with flying colours, and judged against any standard must be considered world class. So according to you Le Tissier and Gascoine were better than Gerrard because they both had more natural footballing ability than Gerrard even though none won as much. I think what you win and honours defines how good you are in any sport, would Borg or Feferer been the tennis players they were, tiger woods in golf, Mike Tyson in Boxing, Brazil in the 70 World Cup, Steve Redgrave in the rowing with all his gold medals I think not they were all defined by what they won, its what sport for the best is all about, winning, not finishing runners up or going close, winning, unless people rate the saying it's not the winning its the taking part, which I dont go along with.
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Not sure many people consider Le Tissier World Class...
All those sports you mentioned were individual achievements, completely irrelevant to the argument.
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Ha, ha, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there Ian, Le Tissier and Gasser??? and then all those you mention who play in individual sports...trying to compare apples with oranges! Get a grip Ian, If Gerrard was playing for any other team in the PL except Liverpool, I bet you would be calling him world class, and for once you would be right!
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