KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Gerrard what a servant

I dont think winning International honours is the be all and end all myself like, I think if you win a few Champions leagues or domestic league titles you can more than make up for lack of International honours. I just think you need to win the games main honours to be called world class, not just win them but be special in contributing to your team winning them. I think your Zidane, Maradonna, Beckanbaur, Cryuff, Dalglish, Henri e.t.c. all done this, all the world class players throughout history done something special when winning the games big trophies all on more than one occasion. I would say if gerrard played for a big Club who won the games major honours then he would of been world class because he had the ability but no club to provide him with the chance or platform, thats Gerrard's fault, nobody else to blame but him because he was good enough to control his career when most players are not lucky enough, he could of picked anyone to play for but chose to let his heart rule his head and stay with his boyhood teams, Totti done the same with Roma. I would put Gerrard in the could of been world class bracket along with Gascoine,Shearer and Le Tissier all players with tremendos ability but not world class because they never done enough with there carrers.

yes so lets say gerrard left liverpool to perform for a major side what would we have won the guys either won the trophies single handedly or had a major contibution there shouldnt be 1 lfc fan who shouldnt say hes not world class it just think back to eufa cup final 2001 league cup final v man poo olypmiacos at home istanbul 2005 fa cup final 2006 counless league and champ league games i could go on and on the lads obviously coming to the latter stages of his carrer but i couldnt name 1 player in the world who could of done what hes done for us.

Steve MacManaman left Liverpool for Real and he won a couple of Spanish Title plus a couple of UCL. No one mention his name. British players dont have a good record overseas anyway beside Macca. I think he was the last British player to win a european trophy with a european club, the other player before Macca was Paul Lambert with B.Dortmund. Beckham was luck to clinched the spanish title in his last season at Real.

In regards to those South American players mentioned, the reason they left their boyhood club to come to a European club is because of the money. If the south amercan clubs can paid them the same salary i doubt they would come to Europe. Classic example was Pele he played for Santos for his entire career but only played for the New York Cosmos at the end of his career to have some easy extra cash for his retirement funds. Also have a look at Tevez, he cant wait til he put on the Boca shirt again. He set himself up for life now he will be playing for Boco in the next couple years.

Gerard is world class player i just think he deserves more silverware for his talent. I wish he had another 5-6 years left in him to captain lfc through some good years. But i think he has max of 2-3 i just would grudge him going abroad to fulfill his dream i know lifting the la liga wouldn't mean as much as the prem but with limited time it might be the best he could do i think he could get into real team Barcelona prob not due to the way they play but de any team in Italy....

Maradonna I think knew that the European Leagues are the best in the world, money did play a part yes, Pele never moved probably because players never traveled those sort of distances back then.
There is no way on earth Zidane would of been crowned the best player in the world if he had done what Gerrard had done and stayed at his boyhood Club Marseille or Figo if he never left Portugal, these players wanted to test themselves by playing in the biggest games so they left to play for Clubs who could provide them with that, Gerrard cant complain because he had the chance with his outstanding ability but for whatever reason chose not to, cant cry and moan now at the end of his carrer if people question if he's world class or not like I do.

Stevie has won it all with us except the PL but he has said before to win it with anyone else wouldnt mean as much to him, he has been a world class player for us and to stay at one club for your whole carreer is yet another huge achievement. You only need to win whats important to ones self, i think he made his choice and although lacking that one domestic medal he can be happier than most.

Yep his loyalty in this day and age deserves to be recognised as he has been a wonderful servant like Carragher, just my opinion that he cant be classed up there with your Dalglish, Souness, Rush and Hansen's of this world tho, fine if people have a different opinion on that, its what a forum is for afterall.

am sure gerrard wouldnt be too upset because you dont think his worldclass fordfucus.

IMO he was wouldclass and will also remain a legend ( unless he does a owen)

My two pence

A WORLD CLASS PLAYER IS A PLAYER WHO CAN WALK INTO ANY TEAM IN THE WORLD

and i think gerrad was that and as for messi he would of walked into any team any time