Yep maybe a set of new guidlines for moderators. Lets be honest a good moderator should be seen and not heard, we dont want one constantly butting into threads with there own points of view and then when they hear something they dont like either throw there moderator weight around or simply close the thread down. I think Dunc has it right, he just now and again steps in and out of postings to keep everyone in check and let everyone know he's around, this seems to be the best way. I think a good idea might be to limit these moderators postings to about 5 a week that way the power they have wont go to there heads as much and we wont have to put up with them trying to throw there weight around and we could be left to discuss things properly and sensibly, just an idea.