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I've said only results will win me over this flavour of the month. I'm number 2.
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I've said only results will win me over this flavour of the month. I'm number 2. That position makes sense Snakeye, and didn't the Kenny bashers keep telling us that football management is a results business, when trying to justify their anti Kenny tirades anytime we lost a match, and weren't they very silent when we won?
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Hmm. Probably no 2 for me. While LFC is the only football club I'll ever support, I can't stand by and watch a manager or management team butcher what Shanks built, so I feel that results are just as important as which club the manager is at. It was only Hodgson who I felt didn't deserve the support because he never had us playing like Liverpool, never took the time to understand the club and its lofty ambitions. The more he railed against the fans the more it was clear that he was not the right fit for the job.
Dalglish, Houllier, Benitez, all had those moments when the wheels fell off for a while (Dalglish longer than most), but that always seemed like it was a set of circumstances that was working against us (fatigue, injuries, suspensions, fixture load, off the field events, poor officiating) that prevented us from getting going again. Each manager had us playing magnificent football for periods longer than the doldrums, and each brought silverware to the club, so there was never any doubt in my mind that the manager himself had merit, that he could turn it around, and as such never lost my support.
But there comes a time when the manager simply isn't producing the results you need to progress as a club, regardless of the reasons, and at that time the man needs to be changed, and was in each case.
Now Rodgers has arrived and, at least to the media, shows a better understanding of both this club and this club's football than Hodgson did. Remember that Hodgson himself won over quite a few fans at the start of his tenure with his attitude in the press and with the exploits of the reserves in Europe, but once the EPL season started in earnest he displayed a startling departure from his former stance, and the football was more suited to Fulham than Liverpool by design. So Rodgers whose primary principles are hard work and possession football is already better received because that's really what football is about, and is what we want to see at Liverpool even if it takes time to produce.
Hodgson failed at Liverpool because his approach was wrong. Rodgers may end up seeing out his contract even if we win nothing and never qualify for the CL because his approach is what we want.
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Hmm. Probably no 2 for me. While LFC is the only football club I'll ever support, I can't stand by and watch a manager or management team butcher what Shanks built, so I feel that results are just as important as which club the manager is at. It was only Hodgson who I felt didn't deserve the support because he never had us playing like Liverpool, never took the time to understand the club and its lofty ambitions. The more he railed against the fans the more it was clear that he was not the right fit for the job.
Dalglish, Houllier, Benitez, all had those moments when the wheels fell off for a while (Dalglish longer than most), but that always seemed like it was a set of circumstances that was working against us (fatigue, injuries, suspensions, fixture load, off the field events, poor officiating) that prevented us from getting going again. Each manager had us playing magnificent football for periods longer than the doldrums, and each brought silverware to the club, so there was never any doubt in my mind that the manager himself had merit, that he could turn it around, and as such never lost my support.
But there comes a time when the manager simply isn't producing the results you need to progress as a club, regardless of the reasons, and at that time the man needs to be changed, and was in each case.
Now Rodgers has arrived and, at least to the media, shows a better understanding of both this club and this club's football than Hodgson did. Remember that Hodgson himself won over quite a few fans at the start of his tenure with his attitude in the press and with the exploits of the reserves in Europe, but once the EPL season started in earnest he displayed a startling departure from his former stance, and the football was more suited to Fulham than Liverpool by design. So Rodgers whose primary principles are hard work and possession football is already better received because that's really what football is about, and is what we want to see at Liverpool even if it takes time to produce.
Hodgson failed at Liverpool because his approach was wrong. Rodgers may end up seeing out his contract even if we win nothing and never qualify for the CL because his approach is what we want. Nice post there thundyr, and I am in full agreement with you even though I never called for Hodgson to be sacked but I was happy to support it for all the reasons you outlined there. I have set my minimum target for Rodgers at top 4 same as I did for Kenny because of the importance of getting into the CL for this club, else we risk sinking into mid table status for the long term. If he can't get close this season and achieve that next season, then he should suffer the same fate as Kenny did. This is a results business after all.
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Hmm. Probably no 2 for me. While LFC is the only football club I'll ever support, I can't stand by and watch a manager or management team butcher what Shanks built, so I feel that results are just as important as which club the manager is at. It was only Hodgson who I felt didn't deserve the support because he never had us playing like Liverpool, never took the time to understand the club and its lofty ambitions. The more he railed against the fans the more it was clear that he was not the right fit for the job.
Dalglish, Houllier, Benitez, all had those moments when the wheels fell off for a while (Dalglish longer than most), but that always seemed like it was a set of circumstances that was working against us (fatigue, injuries, suspensions, fixture load, off the field events, poor officiating) that prevented us from getting going again. Each manager had us playing magnificent football for periods longer than the doldrums, and each brought silverware to the club, so there was never any doubt in my mind that the manager himself had merit, that he could turn it around, and as such never lost my support.
But there comes a time when the manager simply isn't producing the results you need to progress as a club, regardless of the reasons, and at that time the man needs to be changed, and was in each case.
Now Rodgers has arrived and, at least to the media, shows a better understanding of both this club and this club's football than Hodgson did. Remember that Hodgson himself won over quite a few fans at the start of his tenure with his attitude in the press and with the exploits of the reserves in Europe, but once the EPL season started in earnest he displayed a startling departure from his former stance, and the football was more suited to Fulham than Liverpool by design. So Rodgers whose primary principles are hard work and possession football is already better received because that's really what football is about, and is what we want to see at Liverpool even if it takes time to produce.
Hodgson failed at Liverpool because his approach was wrong. Rodgers may end up seeing out his contract even if we win nothing and never qualify for the CL because his approach is what we want. Nice post there thundyr, and I am in full agreement with you even though I never called for Hodgson to be sacked but I was happy to support it for all the reasons you outlined there. I have set my minimum target for Rodgers at top 4 same as I did for Kenny because of the importance of getting into the CL for this club, else we risk sinking into mid table status for the long term. If he can't get close this season and achieve that next season, then he should suffer the same fate as Kenny did. This is a results business after all. so top 4 or out for brendan even though liverpool squad isnt good enough and liverpool have to claw back 17 or 18 points and overhaul everton and newcastle ,chelsea and spurs , brendan's first job is to get anfield into a fortress again and to get closer to 4th because 4th place this season coming is still out of reach because of the low base liverpool are coming from , and to demand 4th straight off is just too much for a mid table team it needs to build and if liverpool get closer points wise , have runs in the EL and domestic cups again to go hand in hand with a massively improved league programme wil be a great start for brendan , but dalglish took a poor squad from 6th to 8th after spending millions on it .
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Faz... you need to read Anne's post a little more carefully
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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Faz... you need to read Anne's post a little more carefully she says top 4 or out
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she said... 'If he can't get close this season and achieve that next season, then he should suffer the same fate as Kenny did.
she did not 'demand 4th straight off' as you implied
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'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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she said... 'If he can't get close this season and achieve that next season, then he should suffer the same fate as Kenny did.
she did not 'demand 4th straight off' as you implied quote I have set my minimum target for Rodgers at top 4 same as I did for Kenny because of the importance of getting into the CL for this club, sound like demanding 4th or nothing to me , i think as i have always said people need to be realistic , yes if liverpool get 4th or better great , but to jump from 8th to 4th over night from the low base liverpool come from is too much for any manager .
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this is not the way forward, 3 managers in 2/3 years.
no more changes it is buck or bust for me.
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