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I think if Kenny had made a significant challenge on the top4 he would have been left in charge but the form in the 2nd of the season deteriorated rapidly and the handling of the Suarez incident probably sealed his fate.
The target changes this year because of the failings last year. Top 4 has become an ambition and not an expectancy like the start of last season.
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I wish avb was here. He is cable and might help Liverpool..
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The new manager won't have 115mil to spend though so a new manager should easily be given 2 seasons with maybe a 25mil budget plus sales to work with in each season so that they have time to bring in their own players and implement their own playing style. Kenny also had to sell to spend. He may have spent 115mil but in fact he re-couped 85mil of that so RM would get a similar amount 25-30mil net spend, a rather modest amount for a team which has ambitions of top 4. . As for the target for the manager. I think top 4 has to be the target, but I wouldn't necessariyl sack the manager if he didn't get top 4. I don't believe that is the main reason why Kenny was sacked. Had we shown improvement from 6th to 5th and just missed out, and won a cup and runners up in the other, and had his signings performed better for him, I think he'd still be in a job. He needed to show improvement, but instead we went the other way. 30mil over 18mths is a modest amount. Manu spent 40mil last summer alone de gea 20mil, young 19mil, jones 19mil and re-couped some from O shea, Brown, + fringe players. The top line figure is misleading and quite honestly most people should have got it by now - in simple terms J.Henry is only missing 30mil out of his wallet, not 115mil, this is a very modest spend on a side that finished 6th the year before 11points off 4th, then 6th again 14points off 4th.
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Man U were going for the title, and they don't have a net spend of 30m per year. Plus it's not 30m net spend, it's more than that.
As for those who did get top 4, Spurs and Arsenal, what did they spend in the past 18 months? Better yet, what did Newcastle and Everton who finished above us spend in the last 18 months net?
30m is a huge amount for everyone else. all good points. except that everyone did not make it either. My argument is recent history seems to suggest that huge amounts of money need to be spent(even wasted) in order for a side to develop quickly and challenge for a top 4 place. Liverpool changed a huge number of players and staff in the last 18mths and we need to settle. To say a previous manager had a fortune is way off the mark, removing 14players to buy 8 players and pretty much play them all at the same time and expect to move up 12points+ is a massive ask unless you spend 25mil+ each on those players. We did not, it will be interesting to see if any of the 'new' players improve to anywhere near their supposed value this year. Only Suarez and Enrique would offer a return if sold.
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Man U were going for the title, and they don't have a net spend of 30m per year. Plus it's not 30m net spend, it's more than that.As for those who did get top 4, Spurs and Arsenal, what did they spend in the past 18 months? Better yet, what did Newcastle and Everton who finished above us spend in the last 18 months net?
30m is a huge amount for everyone else. sorry missed off this; if we agree we have spent 115mil then we have re-couped Torres 50mil, Babel 7.5mil, Miereles 13.5mil, Ngog 5mil, Ayala 1mil, poulsen 2mil. Konchesky 2.5mil, keeper calvares (or something)1mil,so roughly 82-85mil give or take so 30mil is there or there abouts. This is without Cole,Aquiliani as well. it was all in the echo sometime ago. Trust me we have not 'invested' a fortune as many have suggested all we have done is replaced some with others, often not as good although the majority are younger
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But he didn't have to get in 8 players, it was a choice. Coates has barely played, so that signing wasn't essential. Signing two central midfielders when we had Lucas, Gerrard, Shelvey, Aquilani, Cole and Spearing was a bit of overkill, surely one would have been enough, or just not loan out Aquilani and Cole. you can't say it's not much money because Kenny made poor decisions and loaned out players so he could sign others. 20m a year a IS a huge amount to average as spend. You just need to look at the figures of other clubs over a period of years to see that. I think with slightly less than that Benitez managed to turn us from 7th into regular top 4, champions league winners and a 2nd place finish over time.
It's not that it's not enough, it's plenty. again I agree with all your points. The current squad is decent alot younger and hungrier because of what has been brought in as well as what has left. the magic is to offer a modest spend and reach Champs league. Remeber we now have a very rich city and a decent Spurs to contend with - both not present under Rafa
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rafa took us to 5th from 4th though, not 7th to 4th
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“For the next months I have to charge my batteries, charge my mind. I’m going to rest and then I will wait and, when I will be ready, if one club wants me, if they seduce me, I will train again.”
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Steven Gerrard: Heartbeat of LFC.
football is fuckingg cruel
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